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5th Nov 2019, 6:23 pm | #1 |
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Mellotron!
I've always been fascinated by this hybrid piece of equipment that looks like an electric piano but is almost totally far removed from it.
Keyboard is basically an electro-mechanical, polyphonic tape replay which uses magnetic tape over a head to produce a distinctive sound and made by Bradmatic in the 60's. For myself the best known uses of it were the Beatles Strawberry fields and Genesis Peter Gabriels Watcher of the skies . Does anyone out there own such a beast? |
5th Nov 2019, 6:36 pm | #2 |
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Re: Mellotron!
The Wikipedia article has lots of info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellotron
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5th Nov 2019, 8:13 pm | #3 |
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Re: Mellotron!
This Youtube film shows how they work and also the insides too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByD8gH7kYxs |
5th Nov 2019, 8:22 pm | #4 |
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Re: Mellotron!
Sorry, I do not have one, but Streetly Electronics, the manufacturers are only about 80 miles from you in Staffordshire.
MI companies are always very friendly, and they may well offer tours of their facility. Kevin |
5th Nov 2019, 10:15 pm | #5 |
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Re: Mellotron!
There was a R4 documentary about the mellotron, presented by Chris Searle. I googled it and it came up with a mention on here...posted by me..in 2012
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5th Nov 2019, 10:50 pm | #6 |
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Re: Mellotron!
This has prompted a distant recollection of the Mellotron being used for BBCTV sound effects in their post-production dubbing studios. It would have been in the late 1970s, maybe 1978, when Neve was developing a version of the NECAM motor-driven fader computer automation system, known as NECAM D. The sound effects were recorded on the Mellotron tapes and played ‘on the fly’ from the Mellotron keyboard. The timing wasn’t usually spot on, but they could then be moved accurately into the right point on the soundtrack from the NECAM keyboard.
My fading memory is confirmed by this Mellotron website. http://egrefin.free.fr/eng/mellotron/fxconsoleE.php. Naturally the BBC Mellotron was highly customised - and even painted BBC grey. I do remember that the first TV show to be dubbed using NECAM D was ‘Blakes 7’- remember that? I particularly admired the patience and stamina of dubbing engineer Malcolm Johnson, who not only had to learn the new system, but cope with various bugs and crashes. NECAM at that time was based on a minicomputer with a pair of 8-inch floppy disc drives storing the real-time data, so the potential for errors was quite exciting! However, not only did NECAM prove to be the first successful computer-aided multitrack Mixdown system, it was part of the transformation of video recording in its evolution to now surpass film recording technology. Martin
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5th Nov 2019, 11:55 pm | #7 |
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Re: Mellotron!
I thought one of the best tunes using the Mellotron was Nights In White Satin by the Moody Blues. In fact the Moodys made great use of the Mellotron on all of their albums from 1967 to 1972. I think it's a great sounding instrument.
Haunting in the background to this famous song..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdykXAT19Go
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6th Nov 2019, 1:08 am | #8 |
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Re: Mellotron!
The original sampler...
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6th Nov 2019, 12:21 pm | #9 |
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Re: Mellotron!
Something with a similar name was the Melotone which was an elecronic organ using rotating discs, developed by the Compton organ company in 1932.
The organ in the Odeon Leicester Square still has a Melotone as well as a conventional pipe theatre organ. John |
6th Nov 2019, 1:07 pm | #10 |
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Re: Mellotron!
HI,
I've never been affluent to afford one ! I think Graham Bond was one of the first people to use it on a uk recording ? a short demo film was made of the mellotron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdkixaxjZCM
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6th Nov 2019, 1:12 pm | #11 |
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Re: Mellotron!
A friend of mine who is a semi-pro keyboard player used to have a M400, but the difficulty of keeping the thing in tune while touring led to him selling it and using digital samples of Mellotron sounds instead.
I'd love one, if I had money and space. They're in production again after various bands in the 90s discovered them (Oasis, Radiohead) and engaged Streetley to refurbish them. the ultimate result was a new Mellotron model for the 21st century the M4000, still on sale today. |
6th Nov 2019, 2:10 pm | #12 |
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Re: Mellotron!
Somebody gave me a couple of Mellotron capstans many years ago - about 5 feet long and just over 3/4 inch diameter, one was Brass, the other Nickel Silver.
I used them for making odd film rollers and suchlike, may even have a bit left somewhere. |
6th Nov 2019, 2:26 pm | #13 |
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Re: Mellotron!
I remember going to see a Genesis tribute band "The Musical Box" in Bristol about 10years ago. They had a Mellotron on stage. After the curtain went up there was a 5 minute pause while a technician was called on stage and frantically tweeked the inards of the instrument to get the right sounds out of it.
After some fiddling, the Keyboard player gave the nod and "Watcher of the Skies" started to much applause. |
6th Nov 2019, 3:45 pm | #14 |
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Re: Mellotron!
My former 'Tron owning friend sometimes plays in a Genesis tribute band. "Watcher Of The Skies" has become so synonymous with the instrument that Streetly now specifically offer a "Watcher Mix" to recreate the sound...which I believe was strings and brass played together.
Steve Hackett kept a Mellotron for years and eventually sampled it in the 2000s for concerts "before it blew up". I understand Tony Banks still has one in storage. But they are indeed temperamental. I'm pondering whether to see The Musical Box next year in St Albans but ticket prices are quite steep. |
6th Nov 2019, 4:19 pm | #15 |
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Re: Mellotron!
One of my favourite tracks containing a Mellotron is The Zombies' 'Care of Cell 44'. Mellotron comes in at about 30 secs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afrdo2qneoI There's a good book: Mellotron: The Machine and the Musicians that Revolutionised Rock, by Nick Awde. There's not enough detail about the instrument as I'd like, but it's an interesting read.
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6th Nov 2019, 5:47 pm | #16 |
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Re: Mellotron!
OMD also used one, both in the studio and live. Owning both a Mk. 1 M400 and a Novatron for touring.
This was primarily used on the A&M and Dazzle Ships albums after/during which it was replaced with an Emulator and Fairlight CMI Series II, it also was used on the A&M tour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2DLG522Kws |
6th Nov 2019, 6:27 pm | #17 |
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Re: Mellotron!
Wikipedia has a list of groups that used the mellotron.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ron_recordings |
6th Nov 2019, 6:36 pm | #18 |
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Re: Mellotron!
I remember in the mid seventies there was an attempt to develop a similar instrument. Instead of the full width loop frame it had a bank of individually replaceable tape loop cartridges, as used by 8-track playback machines. I don't think it ever went into full production.
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6th Nov 2019, 6:56 pm | #19 |
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Re: Mellotron!
My friend Martin co-runs the company, he's based about five miles from me. It's a relatively small facility in his back garden. They make new ones and they also do a lot of work refurbishing, including sometimes - for richer clients - flying out to do the same. They also do a sample thing now, as a lot of people want that rather than a huge instrument. He's been to McCartney's, Weller's lots of places. We call him Martin Mellatron. Oh, we once took one to the open mic at our local pub and got a celebrity player, Richard Bailey to put it through its paces on various numbers.
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6th Nov 2019, 8:01 pm | #20 |
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Re: Mellotron!
Early users of the Mellotron included Barclay James Harvest, sometimes known as the "Cut Price Moody Blues", King Crimson who portray a disturbing medieval world "In the Court of the Crimson King" and Buffalo Springfield in "Expecting to Fly", I always thought the Mellotron ending of this gave a very "cold" sound very unlike conventional strings.
I saw Barclay James Harvest in Bristol in the 70's, they had a breakdown on stage, but I don't think the Mellotron was the cause. Mike. |