Adding Greek letters to posts. - Page 3 - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

ms660 · 20th Nov 2020, 8:46 pm

Cheer's Graham, it's a mystery to me too, because entering the three number code for µ (Alt + 230) returns just that.....µ.....

Lawrence.

Station X · 20th Nov 2020, 9:03 pm

The behaviour of the numeric keypad depends on your keyboard and language options.

Mine are set to English (United Kingdom) United Kingdom Keyboard. If I select an American keyboard layout ALT + 227 stops working.

ms660 · 20th Nov 2020, 9:11 pm

Graham, mine is set the same as yours is "English (United Kingdom) United Kingdom keyboard"

All a bit strange.

Lawrence.

Uncle Bulgaria · 20th Nov 2020, 9:31 pm

Goodness - a glass of wine later and this has grown to three pages!

Yes, it's a minefield. For me Ò is Alt+227. You can sometimes get different things for left and right Alt keys.

You have to check on your own character map. For me, (UK English, UK keyboard) there is no Alt code for Pi, so I discovered the method for making the hex code work. See attached snip. I have to look in the 'Unicode' section of the Character Map to find Pi, while Mu is also available in the much more limited 'DOS Western Europe' section (second snip - note Alt code bottom right, Hex bottom left). There is no Pi available in my DOS Western Europe list, so I have to use the Unicode hex.

Dave Moll · 20th Nov 2020, 10:07 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Station X

Quote:

Originally Posted by ms660

Ok, pressed that Num key then did Alt + 227 it didn't shoot to Google and this is the symbol that appeared in this post....Ò....:

Lawrence.

How strange. I have to type Alt 0210 to get a Ò

Yes, those both give the same character.

emeritus · 20th Nov 2020, 10:12 pm

This issue was raised in a thread a few years ago. In XP the issue was what character set had been selected in one of the settings menus. With the US set, ALT + 227 gave Pi, whereas with the default character set as Multilingual (Latin 1), it gave Ò. I don't have a Windows 10 system so don't know what or where the corresponding menus/settings are.

Tim · 20th Nov 2020, 10:31 pm

Could we have a few of the common characters added to the Emojis on "go advanced"?

emeritus · 21st Nov 2020, 1:09 am

This was the old thread:

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=108843

My experience with XP is at #11

ms660 · 21st Nov 2020, 9:57 am

So how do I get Pi using Alt + a number code....Anyone?

Lawrence.

Dave Moll · 21st Nov 2020, 10:19 am

As I implied earlier, I don't think you can with the standard UK English character set. It's only available as a Unicode.

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 10:25 am

For NUM LOC then ALT + 227 to work all language and keyboard settings must be set to UK English.

Start
Settings
Time & Language
Language
Windows display language

ms660 · 21st Nov 2020, 10:41 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Station X

For NUM LOC then ALT + 227 to work all language and keyboard settings must be set to UK English.

Start
Settings
Time & Language
Language
Windows display language

As I said earlier they are and here's the result of Alt+227 using the numeric keypad "Ò" it's not the Pi symbol.

Lawrence.

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 10:43 am

Sorry Lawrence, but I cannot assist you further. Those are my W10 settings on three machines and they work.

Perhaps someone else can help.

ms660 · 21st Nov 2020, 10:47 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Station X

Sorry Lawrence, but I cannot assist you further. Those are my W10 settings on three machines and they work.

Perhaps someone else can help.

So you are saying that Alt+227 on your computer returns a Pi symbol?

Lawrence.

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 10:48 am

Yes. So long as Num Lock is on and I use the numeric keypad.

π π π

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 11:07 am

I can reproduce your problem Lawrence.

Start
Settings
Time and Language
Language
Scroll down the window
Administrative Language settings
Change system locale...

Must be set to English (United States) from the drop down list.

ms660 · 21st Nov 2020, 11:07 am

Thanks Graham.

It's strange.

I can do Alt+230 from a code list that was posted earlier and get the expected µ but no expected Pi symbol when doing Alt+227.

My language/keyboard settings enclosed.

Lawrence.

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 11:12 am

Follow the procedure in post #56 and check your system locale... I've added a picture to that post.

ms660 · 21st Nov 2020, 11:35 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Station X

Follow the procedure in post #56 and check your system locale... I've added a picture to that post.

......π π π

Cheers for that Graham.

Lawrence.

Station X · 21st Nov 2020, 12:11 pm

I guess the factory settings depend on where the PC was sourced from. I've checked two Dells and an HP, all bought in the UK and they're set like that.

20th Nov 2020, 8:46 pm	#41
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 10,262	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Cheer's Graham, it's a mystery to me too, because entering the three number code for µ (Alt + 230) returns just that.....µ..... Lawrence.

20th Nov 2020, 9:03 pm	#42
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. The behaviour of the numeric keypad depends on your keyboard and language options. Mine are set to English (United Kingdom) United Kingdom Keyboard. If I select an American keyboard layout ALT + 227 stops working. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

20th Nov 2020, 9:11 pm	#43
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 10,262	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Graham, mine is set the same as yours is "English (United Kingdom) United Kingdom keyboard" All a bit strange. Lawrence.

20th Nov 2020, 9:31 pm	#44
Uncle Bulgaria Octode Join Date: May 2016 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 1,045	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Goodness - a glass of wine later and this has grown to three pages! Yes, it's a minefield. For me Ò is Alt+227. You can sometimes get different things for left and right Alt keys. You have to check on your own character map. For me, (UK English, UK keyboard) there is no Alt code for Pi, so I discovered the method for making the hex code work. See attached snip. I have to look in the 'Unicode' section of the Character Map to find Pi, while Mu is also available in the much more limited 'DOS Western Europe' section (second snip - note Alt code bottom right, Hex bottom left). There is no Pi available in my DOS Western Europe list, so I have to use the Unicode hex. Attached Thumbnails

20th Nov 2020, 10:12 pm	#46
emeritus Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brentwood, Essex, UK. Posts: 4,122	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. This issue was raised in a thread a few years ago. In XP the issue was what character set had been selected in one of the settings menus. With the US set, ALT + 227 gave Pi, whereas with the default character set as Multilingual (Latin 1), it gave Ò. I don't have a Windows 10 system so don't know what or where the corresponding menus/settings are.

20th Nov 2020, 10:31 pm	#47
Tim Nonode Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, UK. Posts: 2,949	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Could we have a few of the common characters added to the Emojis on "go advanced"? __________________ "Nothing is as dangerous as being too modern;one is apt to grow old fashioned quite suddenly."

21st Nov 2020, 1:09 am	#48
emeritus Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brentwood, Essex, UK. Posts: 4,122	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. This was the old thread: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=108843 My experience with XP is at #11

21st Nov 2020, 9:57 am	#49
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 10,262	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. So how do I get Pi using Alt + a number code....Anyone? Lawrence.

21st Nov 2020, 10:19 am	#50
Dave Moll Dekatron Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Cumbria (CA13), UK Posts: 5,056	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. As I implied earlier, I don't think you can with the standard UK English character set. It's only available as a Unicode. __________________ Mending is better than Ending (cf Brave New World by Aldous Huxley)

21st Nov 2020, 10:25 am	#51
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. For NUM LOC then ALT + 227 to work all language and keyboard settings must be set to UK English. Start Settings Time & Language Language Windows display language Attached Thumbnails __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

21st Nov 2020, 10:43 am	#53
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Sorry Lawrence, but I cannot assist you further. Those are my W10 settings on three machines and they work. Perhaps someone else can help. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

21st Nov 2020, 10:48 am	#55
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Yes. So long as Num Lock is on and I use the numeric keypad. π π π __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

21st Nov 2020, 11:07 am	#56
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. I can reproduce your problem Lawrence. Start Settings Time and Language Language Scroll down the window Administrative Language settings Change system locale... Must be set to English (United States) from the drop down list. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

21st Nov 2020, 11:12 am	#58
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. Follow the procedure in post #56 and check your system locale... I've added a picture to that post. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.

21st Nov 2020, 12:11 pm	#60
Station X Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4, UK. Posts: 17,652	Re: Adding Greek letters to posts. I guess the factory settings depend on where the PC was sourced from. I've checked two Dells and an HP, all bought in the UK and they're set like that. __________________ Graham. Forum Moderator Keep the soldering iron hot.