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Old 27th Jun 2009, 2:48 pm   #1
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Default BSR record player deck identification.

For some time now I've been trying to work out how many record player decks BSR actually made and what the model numbers were. In terms of the number of units sold, to me, it seems like they pretty much cornered the market both here in the UK and abroad. That's pretty amazing.

So, I thought I'd start the ball rolling with a few photos of my own specimens. Regrettably, most of the labels on the underside of the decks are missing, so I only have a handful of model numbers (assuming I've written down the correct numbers you inderstand). If anyone can fill in the gaps and/or verify the numbers that I've quoted in the file names, that would be great.

Hopefully others will have other examples that can be posted.

For the record (pardon the terrible pun), all of my examples are 240Va.c. 50Hz mains powered, but I am aware that some battery models exist.
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 2:49 pm   #2
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 2:57 pm   #3
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By the way, I've also seen the last deck 010A with an S-shaped arm. Not sure if it would have a different model number - I guess so.
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 4:15 pm   #4
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Here are 3 drawings taken from Paul's data, illustrating three "Monarch" decks. One from 1953, and two later ones, the UA6 and UA8.

Thus the 2nd and 3rd ones in post #2 seem to be model UA8.

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Old 27th Jun 2009, 4:19 pm   #5
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And a UA16:
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 5:17 pm   #6
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Thank you Nick, yes it certainly does look like the second and third photos are of UA8s. I wonder if the finish (ie gold or silver) was described in the model/part number in some way.

Anyhow, a good start methinks - thank you Nick.

Let's hope that there are lots more to come.

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Old 27th Jun 2009, 5:56 pm   #7
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Default Re: BSR Record Player Decks

Superb thread! BSR turntables have always been my favourite.

Anyway, here's a few more:

1) Model AA47A1. Unusually, this uses a peg which raises up from the deck to measure the record size.

2) Unsure what model no. "Monarch". In cream.

3) TU9 arm and turntable.

4) UA15 SS6H. A special UA15 made for Philips with Philips plug in cartridge.

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Old 27th Jun 2009, 6:47 pm   #8
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Another picture from the brochure I still have, from a Regentone Multi99 which we had but no longer, it was given to a neighbour many years ago and they eventually scraped it before I could reclaim it, so now I only have the brochures for it, and instructions for use and care.
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Another "Monarch", a small 4 speed 9 volt operated deck as fitted in my "Perdiogram" portable radiogram.

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Default Re: BSR Record Player Decks

That is a GU7 deck, which was also fitted to a 'Standard' Battery/Mains Player made in the '60s by Waltham Electronics in Ireland. There was also a battery operated version of one of the Autochanger decks(UA14?) used by EAR in their 'Autobat' player produced in the early 1960s.
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2) Unsure what model no. "Monarch". In cream.
UA6

As found in early Pye Black Boxes.

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Another "Monarch", a small 4 speed 9 volt operated deck as fitted in my "Perdiogram" portable radiogram.
There was also a version of this with a conventional AC mains motor with tap for powering an amp... I had one in a little Fidelity portable.
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The cream one in #4 is the UA6. One drawback with these is that once the overarm has been lifted from it's rest position, if you happen to nudge the pickup arm for any reason, it flies inwards to the 7" position. Don't do the stylii a lot of good! Problem obviously overcome with the UA8. Personally, my favourite would be the UA16, if only for that space-age styling, (or the UA15, same mechanism, but shorter spindle, and lower pickup mounting). However, I hated the AA47A1, (First pic. #7) cos that little peg that shot up to measure the record size left nasty marks on the underside of LPs.

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Default Re: BSR Record Player Decks

I have an UA14 just like the one in the first picture of this thread, but with a large gold plastic decorative panel.

Also, i'm restoring an "audiophile" variant of the popular black 70s BSR changer, it's fitted with a 4-pole motor, a metal turntable, a better arm with a real adjustable counterweight and better bearings, antiskating control, and a Shure MM cartridge, i'm planning to use this changer in my stereo system in place of a 70s Marantz, at least as long as it's able to track at 1.5 grams and the rumble from the BSR idler drive system is within acceptable levels

I'll post some pictures when i'll be able to put it back together.
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I have an UA14 just like the one in the first picture of this thread, but with a large gold plastic decorative panel.
That will be the UA12, introduced before the UA14, and intended as a 'de luxe' alternative to the UA8 for use in more expensive items like radiograms. I can't find a decent picture anywhere.

Another one not yet mentioned is the UA25, very common in cheaper record players in the mid 60s. Maybe someone has a better picture?

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Also, i'm restoring an "audiophile" variant of the popular black 70s BSR changer, it's fitted with a 4-pole motor, a metal turntable, a better arm with a real adjustable counterweight and better bearings, antiskating control, and a Shure MM cartridge, i'm planning to use this changer in my stereo system in place of a 70s Marantz, at least as long as it's able to track at 1.5 grams and the rumble from the BSR idler drive system is within acceptable levels
That sounds like a BSR McDonald MP60. I had one of these that I picked up for a tenner when I was 16. The rim drive and autochanger mechanism are the same as contemporary BSR changers fitted to the likes of Fidelity stereos. They do rumble a bit and would probably struggle with a 1.5 gram tracking weight.

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I have a music centre with a C142R with some small cosmetic differences from the image shown (4).
attached are a couple more, the P157, small C114 and the C141R1 , my favourite BSR arm; a lightweight type with small head, which is like BSR's equivalent of the Garrard 2025TC.

this site has loads more pics. I'd like to one day get a copy of the story of BSR book, seems essential if you're interested in these decks.

As concerns that model with the stud which senses the disc size from below, that was common in the Argentinian Wincos.
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I have (in the loft) what I reckon must have been one of the last BSR changers. It is fitted to an early '80s Fidelity stereo. It is very plasticky and only plays at 33 and 45, but still works well. I must get it down and take a picture.


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Is it this one? I have never seen one 'in the flesh'
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No, It's more "modern" looking than that. I think it has two left<>right sliding switches, one each side on the front edge of the turntable. One selects 33/45, the other operates the auto changer. Will definitely dig it out for a look!

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