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12th Dec 2011, 8:57 am | #1 |
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N4506
Hello all, i managed to get one of these a few months ago and apart from a belt kit and two caps in the rewind\ff area works fine, thanks to people on here. I got the service manual, than you again, but i cannot get a user guide.
One button fools me, what is the auto-play button for, anyone know, thankyou in advance. Tony Walker |
12th Dec 2011, 9:58 am | #2 |
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Re: N4506
Hi,
What make is it. The model no. alone means nothing to most folk including me. Sounds like it might be a Philips Cheers, Pete
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12th Dec 2011, 10:45 am | #3 |
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Re: N4506
Sorry yes, its only obvious to me cos i used to work for them, Philips n4506, also auto play sounds so obvious too, but whatever mode its in auto play appears to have no function.
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12th Dec 2011, 11:54 am | #4 |
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Re: N4506
It's not a feature to automatically set the machine to play mode as soon as power is applied - sortof like the timer play feature of some cassette decks?
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12th Dec 2011, 12:21 pm | #5 |
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Re: N4506
Thanks Ricard, im usually ok at sussing things, im still in the trade today, but solely with LG, we get conundrums all day but thanks.
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12th Dec 2011, 12:24 pm | #6 |
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Re: N4506
Ages since I repaired these.....35 years in fact! Can't remember the Autoplay function. Where is the buton/switch located? I found a picture of one here http://www.makarateyp.com/mg/N4506-2/N4506-Bitti.htm but I can't see the Autoplay control.
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12th Dec 2011, 1:07 pm | #7 |
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Re: N4506
At work now but from memory from the right, power, mode (amp or tape), auto play and mag or crystal input, has any kind soul a user guide please? Sorry correction MULTIPLAY
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12th Dec 2011, 1:35 pm | #8 |
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Re: N4506
Ok, multiplay, another name for sound-on-sound. I.e. when recording on (say) track 1 you can play back track 3 and inject the signal into the recording. Conversely when recording on track 3. That way you can use multiple overdubs to build up a complex recording where you're singing all the parts of a quartet for instance.
Exactly how it works is very machine-dependent; on the Tandberg 9100X I used to use, the playback signal from the other track was injected at Line In R, don't really know how it works on the Philips. On my old (Philips) EL3547 pressing the multiplay button brought the playback signal in at a pre-set level, but that machine predates the 4506 by a decade at least, so it's bound to be more elaborate on a newer machine, especially with all those knobs and sliders available. |
12th Dec 2011, 2:21 pm | #9 |
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Ahh now Multiplay makes sense! Yes as Ricard says it's a way of dubbing one track onto another. There is a limit to how many times you can do this as a certain amount of degradation takes place each time you dub.
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12th Dec 2011, 2:50 pm | #10 |
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Re: N4506
I have the later N4515. Off the top of my head, Autoplay controls what happens when you rewind back to 0. It will either do nothing, stop the tape, or stop the tape and go into play. Of course, I could be thinking of the wrong button but I think that's the one. Is there a picture you could link to which would jog my memory?
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12th Dec 2011, 3:03 pm | #11 |
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Re: N4506
What id give for a pdf of the user guide, id go to church, stop drinking and donate to our local big issue seller, ive a wife and 4 kids going spare
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12th Dec 2011, 4:15 pm | #12 |
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Re: N4506
You have a PM.
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13th Dec 2011, 2:15 pm | #13 | |
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13th Dec 2011, 2:41 pm | #14 |
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Re: N4506
thanks for that james, whatever the position the switch is in applying power with the play button engaged (or with record as well) the machine starts playing, if the mains is removed with play engaged the button stops in but the pinch roller disengages for obvious reasons, i.e. no flat, ricard i think is correct but i cant suss the multiplay out, ive tried all the permutations i can think of but, alas, i cant work it out, any pointers anyone please, although it doesnt detract from the recorded quality under normal conditions, thanks
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13th Dec 2011, 5:06 pm | #15 |
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Re: N4506
You are right of course, on a solenoid operated machine like this with push button control where the buttons latch you don't need a separate 'timer play' function.
Regarding multiplay, I don't know how it works on this machine, but I would suggest recording something on track 1, rewind, then record something on the other track with the multiplay switch in the ON position, listen with phones while recording and see if you can hear something from the first recording. You might likely have to turn up a couple of level controls, like one of the line in controls, to get the overdubbed signal from the other track. Also, it's not impossible that you really need headphones plugged into the headphone jack rather than listening to the line out in order to hear what is going on. Philips tended to have elaborate switching on their machines and it wouldn't surprise me if the headphones output is not just merely an amplified version of line out, but outputs a signal from a slightly different signal path. |
13th Dec 2011, 5:18 pm | #16 |
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Aah - I've just read your other message more carefully.
Yes, the Multiplay button was renamed Sound On Sound on the N4515. As an example, with multiplay off, select tracks 1 and 4 and record a mono track. Then turn multiplay on, select tracks 2 and 3 and hit play. The sound from tracks 1 and 4 should now appear on one of the mic or line faders - I can't remember exactly which so just fade each one up in turn while listening to the headphone or monitor out (not the standard line out) and you will soon find which one. You can use the other faders for inputs and mix the levels as required. Once you are happy with the levels and have rehearsed your new performance, you can hit record and the sound of the original track will be mixed with the new sound. If you don't like the new performance for some reason you can go back and do it again as many times as you like with no degradation in sound. Once you are happy with the new track you can then add yet another track. Move the track selector back to 1 and 4 and then find the fader with the second track on it. You can then add whatever other sounds you want on the other faders. Rehearse and record the performance as before. You can carry on switching between tracks and building things up as much as you like although newer tracks will always sound better than older ones so you will soon learn to put down things like bass guitar first and cymbals last. You can also route the output back into the input to give echo (although you may need an external cable for this). I used to do this sort of thing quite a bit when I first had my machine but I haven't used the Sound On Sound feature for quite a while so that's why I'm a little hazy on some of the specifics. James. |