'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

DiamondDogs · 29th Feb 2016, 1:20 am

I have just brought a 'Boots' model 2006 with a BSR belt drive deck that is running a bit slow. It has been stored away for some years so I intend to try a new belt (the old one measures app 420mm cir.? I will need a replacement stylus at some time so if this could also be identified?

peter_sol · 29th Feb 2016, 7:48 am

Doubt that a new belt will cure.
There is a speed knob isn't there?

DiamondDogs · 29th Feb 2016, 10:24 am

No only bass treble volume balance. I don't want to throw good money after bad. Is it unlikely a new belt will fix the problem as I have rang the person to tell them and will take it back.

Is there any speed adjustment controls somewhere else?

Audio1950 · 29th Feb 2016, 10:52 am

All record players have a speed control, otherwise how do you select 33, 45, etc?

peter_sol · 29th Feb 2016, 11:09 am

I meant fine adjustment.
It has a strobe so it must be adjustable
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...2&d=1390920165

ben · 29th Feb 2016, 11:15 am

That deck is a BSR P267. Recently discussed here. One of the worst, the belt will need replacing by now, but the speed selector was unreliable from the word go. I'd look for something better. Or at least you may be able to swap the deck chassis for a better one if the cabinet is deep enough.

peter_sol · 29th Feb 2016, 11:19 am

Thanks Ben
Upon reading the article about the C/S conversion it seems that there are individual speed controls for 45 AND 33 under the deck.

Edward Huggins · 29th Feb 2016, 12:51 pm

Those decks just look better than they really are and could not be nastier. It all depends on what you want from the player. It might be OK for occasional use on 45s, but nothing more. Why get a refund and buy something a bit better and more easily serviced? If you want cheap stereo, there are a lot of HMV/Ferguson/Ultra (All Thorn Group) units from the late 1960s with detachable speakers on the auction sites. Edward

DiamondDogs · 29th Feb 2016, 1:06 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben

One of the worst, the belt will need replacing by now, but the speed selector was unreliable from the word go.

It has been stored for years. If the belt was changed, is it likely to resolve the problem. Is the 393mm belt compatible for it?

I really don't have the time or expertise to swap chassis.

It does have 33/45 speeds. Sounds like the selector may be at fault, Is there any fine speed adjustment?

It was advertised with no faults.

peter_sol · 29th Feb 2016, 1:26 pm

See above post yes it does have fine speed adjustment
On a board fixed to the underside of the deck

Edward Huggins · 29th Feb 2016, 1:28 pm

I'd re-sell it with a clear explanation of the fault. Go buy something like an HMV 2025 Stereo player (c. £20) often seen in the listings and one on now. It has a "proper" BSR deck. Edward

DiamondDogs · 29th Feb 2016, 3:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter_sol

See above post yes it does have fine speed adjustment
On a board fixed to the underside of the deck

Yep, 2 adjustment screws on the pcb directly underneath. Turned 1 anti clockwise, problem solved. Frank Ifield now yodelling in tune.

EH (Charles?) At least it will be saleable, but I only play occasional 45s and 33s so will persevere with it and see how it performs. It is just a joy at the moment as I have been without a deck for sooo long.

Thanks again all, fabulous forum!!

ben · 29th Feb 2016, 4:51 pm

At least you got some progress.
Stylus is a Tetrad, I think there was a T30MD single tip and T3MD/ T5MD which had two. I think the 'HD' types will also work, but not 100% sure!

Clydeuk · 1st Mar 2016, 1:59 am

My recommendation is to clean the speed select switch, you will probably find the speed varies if you wiggle it, caused by high resistance from dirty contacts. This was the main cause of problems with these decks, and very early in their life as well.

I would only adjust the speed after cleaning the switch contacts.

The strobe is fake on these I believe, just for show. You can download a strobe disc if you want to set it accurately.

DiamondDogs · 1st Mar 2016, 10:25 am

Thanks. I will try that, but now adjusted both 45 and 33 to sound there or thereabouts, (2 separate variable adj on pcb). I assume the strobe is fake only a red led.

Will clean retry and poss get a disc. Just waiting for 2.5/3.5 jack to link up with a system to play through, then will try and get it all set up.

Edward Huggins · 1st Mar 2016, 11:52 am

You'll need a 3.5mm jack for Stereo. Edward

29th Feb 2016, 1:20 am	#1
DiamondDogs Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 11	'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) I have just brought a 'Boots' model 2006 with a BSR belt drive deck that is running a bit slow. It has been stored away for some years so I intend to try a new belt (the old one measures app 420mm cir.? I will need a replacement stylus at some time so if this could also be identified? Attached Thumbnails

29th Feb 2016, 7:48 am	#2
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: BSR record player deck identification. Doubt that a new belt will cure. There is a speed knob isn't there?

29th Feb 2016, 10:24 am	#3
DiamondDogs Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 11	Re: BSR record player deck identification. No only bass treble volume balance. I don't want to throw good money after bad. Is it unlikely a new belt will fix the problem as I have rang the person to tell them and will take it back. Is there any speed adjustment controls somewhere else?

29th Feb 2016, 10:52 am	#4
Audio1950 Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Whittlesey, near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, UK. Posts: 3,763	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) All record players have a speed control, otherwise how do you select 33, 45, etc?

29th Feb 2016, 11:09 am	#5
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) I meant fine adjustment. It has a strobe so it must be adjustable https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...2&d=1390920165

29th Feb 2016, 11:15 am	#6
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) That deck is a BSR P267. Recently discussed here. One of the worst, the belt will need replacing by now, but the speed selector was unreliable from the word go. I'd look for something better. Or at least you may be able to swap the deck chassis for a better one if the cabinet is deep enough. __________________ Regards, Ben.

29th Feb 2016, 11:19 am	#7
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) Thanks Ben Upon reading the article about the C/S conversion it seems that there are individual speed controls for 45 AND 33 under the deck.

29th Feb 2016, 12:51 pm	#8
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,336	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) Those decks just look better than they really are and could not be nastier. It all depends on what you want from the player. It might be OK for occasional use on 45s, but nothing more. Why get a refund and buy something a bit better and more easily serviced? If you want cheap stereo, there are a lot of HMV/Ferguson/Ultra (All Thorn Group) units from the late 1960s with detachable speakers on the auction sites. Edward

29th Feb 2016, 1:26 pm	#10
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) See above post yes it does have fine speed adjustment On a board fixed to the underside of the deck

29th Feb 2016, 1:28 pm	#11
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,336	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) I'd re-sell it with a clear explanation of the fault. Go buy something like an HMV 2025 Stereo player (c. £20) often seen in the listings and one on now. It has a "proper" BSR deck. Edward

29th Feb 2016, 4:51 pm	#13
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) At least you got some progress. Stylus is a Tetrad, I think there was a T30MD single tip and T3MD/ T5MD which had two. I think the 'HD' types will also work, but not 100% sure! __________________ Regards, Ben.

1st Mar 2016, 1:59 am	#14
Clydeuk Hexode Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Liverpool, Merseyside, UK. Posts: 453	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) My recommendation is to clean the speed select switch, you will probably find the speed varies if you wiggle it, caused by high resistance from dirty contacts. This was the main cause of problems with these decks, and very early in their life as well. I would only adjust the speed after cleaning the switch contacts. The strobe is fake on these I believe, just for show. You can download a strobe disc if you want to set it accurately.

1st Mar 2016, 10:25 am	#15
DiamondDogs Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK. Posts: 11	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) Thanks. I will try that, but now adjusted both 45 and 33 to sound there or thereabouts, (2 separate variable adj on pcb). I assume the strobe is fake only a red led. Will clean retry and poss get a disc. Just waiting for 2.5/3.5 jack to link up with a system to play through, then will try and get it all set up.

1st Mar 2016, 11:52 am	#16
Edward Huggins Dekatron Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southwold, Suffolk, UK. Posts: 8,336	Re: 'Boots' model 2006 (BSR) You'll need a 3.5mm jack for Stereo. Edward