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Old 12th Jun 2018, 5:59 pm   #1
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Default 405 in Colour. Well, sort-of.

Hi everyone.

Several months back I bought a coloured filter from eBay called a "TeleColour". It's basically a sheet of thin acetate coloured blue at the top, pink in the middle and green at the bottom, which you stick on the front of your 405 line TV for, if the instructions are to be believed, amazing true-life colour. I'm not sure I'd go quite that far but it did add a certain something to my viewing experience. That something being the constant thought "I'm watching the TV through a blue, pink and green filter".

Anyway, pictures attached. See what you think.

Thanks everyone.

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Ps. It's a good job I didn't plump for an "inferior imitation" or goodness only knows what might have happened.
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Default Re: 405 in Colour. Well, sort-of.

Well I suppose it looks a bit like a (badly) hand-tinted photograph, which people would have been familiar with at the time. It's sometimes surprising what we will accept as a reasonable approximation until something better comes along.
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Default Re: 405 in Colour. Well, sort-of.

Just a quick swish over with the degaussing wand should clean that up. John.

[Stan and Hilda of Coronation Street fame fitted one to their old black and white receiver in an attempt to convince neighbours they had a colour telly..]
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Default Re: 405 in Colour. Well, sort-of.

I love the fact that the advertising leaflet shows a monochrome scene - giving no indication of how far it falls short of the claim.
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I think it would be very good if your television was displaying this scene:

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Old 12th Jun 2018, 7:31 pm   #6
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A bit like a stopped clock - "at least it's right every so often" .

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Stan and Hilda of Coronation Street fame fitted one to their old black and white receiver in an attempt to convince neighbours they had a colour telly..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6w1b1XLrqs


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Psychology again. In the same way that large screen TV's don't look so big after a while and in the context of a modern colour TV picture [never mind high definition] the image would have had some novelty and interest back then. It's perhaps hard to appreciate that today I know these filters never really caught on commercially but then a post war audience was still more used to b+w films in cinemas and would probaly have thought that they preferred b+w television. This was itself [by then]..relatively high definition. It used a lot of 16mm film [many more lines equivalent than even 625]. In the cinema, A Hard Days Night was mainly black and white!

Desymo mentioned photos being hand tinted. I recall that these seemed very impressive in the 50's and they now have a very nostalgic aura [like the early colour cinema systems perhaps]. I also remember the Ogden's storyline-with Eddie Yates. Hilarious and so very well written! Hilda is more concerned about always being deprived rather than just the picture quality [or lack of it].
Great link Steve-many thanks!

Stan Ogden "A man who could see the whole world in a fried egg sandwich" Paul Morley The New musical Express [1980's].

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The original space invaders game used this technique
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A green shield stamp for anyone who can recognise what is playing on the Cossor TV.
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Crown Court?
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 8:55 pm   #12
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The car looks too early for Crown Court. that. The property looks too modern for Dad's Barmy but its perhaps the same body language

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Crown Court is certainly playing on the Ogdens GTVR branded Thorn 850 (or is it a 900).
As for what's on Mike's Cossor, I have no idea.
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Some of the storylines in Crown Court would be interesting to forum members.

I imagine others who were in the trade at the time watched these episodes when they should have been mending tellies.

There was one episode where the crime was committed
with the aid of a TV link between a boat at sea, and the shore.
I think the camera was attached to a gun-sight.

There was a UHF yagi at each end and the crime
was discovered by an IBA engineer doing a survey for a
proposed local relay, who picked up the signal and gave evidence.

The technical detail was spot-on, and one of the very few dramas
I have seen where the storyline was written by someone with real
knowledge of technical matters.

There was another episode where the power transformer of
an oscilloscope was sabotaged to set fire to a lab.

12 years ago I tracked down the screenwriter responsible in a Usenet group,
James Follett G1LXP

He was very modest about his technical knowledge.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 1:35 am   #15
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I think something went wrong [with me] when I edited post 12. Was it Arthur Lowe in that scene? That's what I meant about Dad's Army [Barmy] the body language of the actor!

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Default Re: 405 in Colour. Well, sort-of.

There's a close parallel here with the ongoing discussion of loudspeaker cables elsewhere on the Forum.
Notice how the instructions specify exactly what the viewer is expected to experience, but that it will take 20 minutes ('burn-in' time) before this happens.
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I think the car is a Rover P2 or P3 if that helps anyone to remember the episode.

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I remember those coloured panels they sold in the 60/70,s to give "colour".
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Some of the storylines in Crown Court would be interesting to forum members.

I imagine others who were in the trade at the time watched these episodes when they should have been mending tellies.

There was one episode where the crime was committed
with the aid of a TV link between a boat at sea, and the shore.
I think the camera was attached to a gun-sight.

There was a UHF yagi at each end and the crime
was discovered by an IBA engineer doing a survey for a
proposed local relay, who picked up the signal and gave evidence.

The technical detail was spot-on, and one of the very few dramas
I have seen where the storyline was written by someone with real
knowledge of technical matters.

There was another episode where the power transformer of
an oscilloscope was sabotaged to set fire to a lab.

12 years ago I tracked down the screenwriter responsible in a Usenet group,
James Follett G1LXP

He was very modest about his technical knowledge.
Interesting (!) that the barrister refers to the judge as 'Your Lordship' which is how you address a judge in the High Court. Given that we both think this is 'Crown Court' where the judge is usually referred to as 'Your Honour". When I attended Crown Court recently, as a juror I would quickly add, we were specifically told to address the judge in this way.

Thread drift or what!
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I enjoyed the Mirror Lid TV double demo Peter. I agree that Crown Court was quite sophisticated and punching above it's weight red, even if that doesn't solve the Cossor mystery! Soap courtroom stories used to be in "real time". Now, like fires or other disasters, you just get the highlights and holes in the script as it quickly/predictably moves to another "crisis". It would be much too slow for today's dislocated attention span audiences I suspect. My recollection is that C Court was also on in an evening "prime" spot, either before or after the afternoon broadcasts appeared but I'n not sure about that. The concept of "day time television" wasn't derided back then though

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