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Old 21st Apr 2024, 11:47 am   #21
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I found this comment in the chapter on television in the 1956 edition of Odhams "Radio Television and Electrical Repairs" book in the discussion about the prospective extensions of the ITA stations on Band III:

" The BBC also plan to start a second tv programme in 1957-8, a proportion of which will most likely be in colour. By 1962 this second programme will probably have passed its experimental stage and be extended to about five hours transmission per day."

No other details given. Presumably the introduction was delayed due to considering using 625 lines and which colour system to use.

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Old 21st Apr 2024, 12:00 pm   #22
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We left Carlisle in July 71. Still no BBC2 until later that year I believe, but we did have 2 BBC channels, BBC1 & BBC Scotland and Border all in glorious 405.
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I was too young to remember BBC2 opening in 1964 and we only had a one year old Decca DR41 TV (Thorn 850 convertible chassis) which was 405 only , unless a converter kit was fitted.

However, I do recall the commencement of some colour TV programmes on BBC2 in 1967, starting with outside broadcasts from the Wimbledon tennis championships. We still had the Decca set, but a relative had a dual standard 19" Marconiphone (Thorn 2000 chassis), so I was agog at seeing colour TV for the first time.

Around the same time, I recall seeing a colour TV in the showroom window of our local Currys. In order for the picture not to be washed out by direct daylight onto the screen, it had a large black cardboard sunshield fixed around the CRT's screen.

I've attached a scan of a 1969 Pye colour TV advert, featuring their two dual standard models and making a big thing of their TVT division, which made a lot of the UHF TV transmitters. Does anyone know which transmitter site actually features in their advert?
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What a "Hullaballoo - and Custard"...
Sixty years old, and hasn't lost her squeak..

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One of the first things David Attenborough did when he became BBC2 controller was to drop Hullabaloo & Custard!
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One of the first things David Attenborough did when he became BBC2 controller was to drop Hullabaloo & Custard!
I suppose Hullabaloo is a nod to "Here's looking at You", but what's the significance of Custard?
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Children's TV cartoon character, I think a cat.

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That sounds like "Roobarb and Custard" which aired a decade after the launch of BBC2.
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There was more than 'Hullabaloo & custard' in our workshop just after BBC2 went on air...
At that time, here was a scheme where rental TV's over a certain age were allowed to be rented out at a very low rate. Normally these were put out to pensioners (like me!).

However this did not at this time include any 625-line/UHF sets, as of course most of them were new or in the case of the 'convertible' models nearly new.

Enter a keen young engineer, - who having been on the latest training courses from Rediffusion came up with an idea. I waited until my supervisor was on holiday, & in between repairing rental TV's found a nice CA/17/4B Plessey chassis 17" console (similar to a Regentone) which also had the additional benefit of VHF/FM radio.

Having sneaked a suitable UHF tuner from the stores, I began a conversion project.
After considerable re-alignment of the I.F. strip, and modifications to the line stage I actually got it to work, tolerably well.
I then took a brace & bit to the side of the cabinet, to make a suitable hole for the new UHF tuner. All went well, & I left the resultant single-standard (something I hadn't really thought about) on the soak bench over the weekend.

My Supervisor returned from holiday on the next Monday, & was somewhat amazed to see a BBC-2 test card on a 'de-controlled 'cheapie'..

I of course launched into a description of all the modifications I had carried out, expecting some sort of pleasant reply.

All I got was 'Convert it back, how am I supposed to rent that out with only one channel?? Or words to that effect.

I even had to fill the hole in! To be fair, after his initial 'I don't believe it' moment my supervisor was quite complimentary.

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That sounds like "Roobarb and Custard" which aired a decade after the launch of BBC2.
Yes. It was a very "jittery style" Bob Godfrey animation, narrated by Richard Briers - IIRC!
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I even had to fill the hole in! To be fair, after his initial 'I don't believe it' moment my supervisor was quite complimentary.

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The hole could have been used to bolt one to the side. Much better than hanging it on the fibre-board back.

The 405 only sets that were written off where I worked were put out in the back yard awaiting the District Manager's weekley visit. He would use a claw-hammer to smash each board and tube neck, just in case we engineers got any ideas about making use of any of it.
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In answer to Graham, G3ZVT's query, regarding slot meter, - yes we did, but not until much later. So the hole had to be filled with a small circle of wood, & some 'Brummer' filler. I then re-French-polished the right hand side of the cabinet, having been fortunate to be shown how by our semi-resident polisher.

In regard to management breaking up the older single-standard 405 sets, luckily no.
This was because some of our engineers were into building just about anything electronic, so parts from redundant TV's often got re-purposed, e.g. the nice IF can/coils were stripped, rewound& became part of a RX/TX!

This is going a little off-thread, so I will leave it here, & maybe start a further reminiscence with a more suitable thread title...

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I suppose Hullabaloo is a nod to "Here's looking at You", but what's the significance of Custard?
The, perhaps apocryphal, tale I read somewhere or other is that Hullabaloo was easily agreed on as signifying the wave of public excitement it was hoped a second BBC channel would provoke, but that the meeting to decide the matter was at a loss for what to name her joey until Custard was suggested on the grounds that "custard goes with anything".

I've a 45 lurking somewhere of "Hullabaloo and Custard" as performed by Bob Miller and the Millermen, but I've no idea when and where, or even if, the tune was used in the course of the celebrations...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xT5ejCVA-A

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I knew someone (much later) who worked at BBC Norwich at the time BBC2 fired up the Tacolneston transmitter in the mid 60's.
A kangaroo was on hand for the launch party and this person was in a lift at BBC Norwich with the kangaroo when the lift got stuck between floors, all was OK in the end!
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Sixty years old, and hasn't lost her squeak..

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Sixty years old, and hasn't lost her squeak..

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One of the first things David Attenborough did when he became BBC2 controller was to drop Hullabaloo & Custard!
Joyless!
I believe he felt they were too gimmicky!
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I know, like I said joyless ?
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