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Old 29th Dec 2019, 12:06 pm   #1
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Many years ago,one of my neighbours had a very large floor standing radio maybe 1930's /40's and I remember that it had loads of push buttons. I have never seen a similar one and wonder if anyone could shed any light on this matter.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 12:14 pm   #2
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The sets the immediately spring into my mind are EKCO and HMV

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ekco_rg489rg_48.html

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ekco_c511c_51.html

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hismasters_1300.html

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hismasters_1301.html

Just as a starting point

An then there were the Bush sets

http://www.bushradio.co.uk/shrubbery.html

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Old 29th Dec 2019, 1:44 pm   #3
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Hi Mike,
yes they are very similar to what I had in the back of my mind. Pity I should have staked a claim on it while the old chap was still around.
Never seem to see these for sale, but perhaps now, with makers names, I will .
I assume all the buttons were for several short wave bands as well as long and medium ? Maybe one for gram.?
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 2:02 pm   #4
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A lot of these sets (not all) were Motor tuned.

Some just gave you a selection of your most listened to stations (pre-sets)

Most people don't want these Console sets as they are too big today.

Dont forget RGD who also made some cracking console sets.

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Old 29th Dec 2019, 2:24 pm   #5
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There is also the massive DEFIANT, possibly 1939/46. J.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 3:08 pm   #6
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Your probably thinking of the MSH938 which is huge

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/co_op_msh938ac.html
http://www.classicwireless.co.uk/Defiant_MSH938.htm

I dont know if there was ever a console version of this set though.

The MSH 938 was a table top model.

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Old 29th Dec 2019, 3:35 pm   #7
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I dont know if there was ever a console version of this set though.
I think there may have been more than one console model, but this is mine, an MSH957.

https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...8&d=1270432086

It has a couple more valves than the 938 as output is via a push-pull pair of AC4/PENs.

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Old 29th Dec 2019, 3:56 pm   #8
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That's a cracker Paul


Need to get that one into the Radiomuseum


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Yes, it's about time I settled down to taking photos and putting a few sets in there. The Defiant is keeping rather mixed company lately.
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Old 29th Dec 2019, 5:46 pm   #10
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Any idea who made the pushbutton tuner for the Defiant? I am still trying to identify my lost 'grandfather's radio' which had something similar.
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It was possibly the HMV one, but so long ago when I saw it, that my mind is now clouded. At the time I know I could not believe how many buttons it had.

Apparently on some sets the buttons could select TV sound.
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Apparently on some sets the buttons could select TV sound.
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Yes, the Defiant is one that has it: but by way of a fifth waveband in addition to LW, MW and two SW. Wavechange and tuning are both motor-driven - the only knob is for optional manual tuning, with a concentric volume lever (tone control is by a bank of buttons).
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A lot of these sets (not all) were Motor tuned.

Some just gave you a selection of your most listened to stations (pre-sets)

Most people don't want these Console sets as they are too big today.

Dont forget RGD who also made some cracking console sets.
I have a lavishly illustrated RGD catalogue for model year 1939. it shows as an option an "Armchair control box" This would sit on the arm of your chair and connected to the radioconsole and radiogram models via a cable. It had a row of push buttons for station select.

For the top end sets only of course, which were very expensive. Up to 110 guineas in 1939!
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For those interested in RGD don't forget the most excellent RGD online museum.

http://www.rgd.org.uk/index.html

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I have a lavishly illustrated RGD catalogue for model year 1939. it shows as an option an "Armchair control box" This would sit on the arm of your chair and connected to the radioconsole and radiogram models via a cable. It had a row of push buttons for station select.

For the top end sets only of course, which were very expensive. Up to 110 guineas in 1939!
A staggering price - that 110 Guineas would have happily bought you a brand-new car!
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 9:44 am   #16
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Looking at all the pictures, I think that one of the RDG sets was the most likely contender. Never seen one of these for sale. I guess most were traded in for TV's or smaller sets and those with the record players would have been made redundant when the 33's and 45's came out. The pickups in most of these early sets must have weighed in at several ounces. My father handed me down a very large radiogram in which he had built the superhet radio, after he bought his beloved Murphy table radio, (which incidentally I still have, and still working after Ed Dining rewound the output transformer for me.). I counterbalanced the pickup arm and played my first 45's on it on the slowest speed I could get. With a steel needle, they did not last long !! I think that was a Garrard player.
The cabinet had the normal cupboards each side for the 78's.
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I've only met one RGD console radio, a 1938 model and most likely the 1135, too far away for me to buy it. The company wasn't a high volume manufacturer to start with, and, while selling to an affluent market perhaps increased the survival chances of their equipment, the craze for output triodes in recent years will have claimed moire than a few victims - PP3/250s or PP5/400s in push-pull were usual in the larger models. All sorts of things happened back in the day. I do have a chsssis from the 1938 model 1175: it's in a one-off cabinet a joiner built for it, probably in the mid '50s, in the style of the period and tremendously strong, but with a then new BSR UA8 as its record deck. It turned up in some sort of jumble sale in Lincoln in the early '80s, where its owner, the cabinet-maker's daughter if memory serves, was protesting that if nobody would pay 10 she would take it home and put an axe to it. I succumbed willingly enough to the emotional blackmail...

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Old 31st Dec 2019, 10:56 am   #18
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It's just had a scan through the vintage radiograms on eBay and saw one of the above grams for four figures !! As you say, it must be the value of those output valves. (To date, the most expensive gram I have ever seen.) You could pickup a Quad valve setup for less, and even in a cabinet !!
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I have had the great pleasure in visiting the RGD museum in the flesh and listened to some of the sets there.
They may be great eye candy but how they sound is whats really important.

They sound absolutely great they have enough power and range to make you feel good about what your listening too,
You have to remind yourself just how old they are.

I guess these were the beggining of the HiFi bubble striving for ever better quality.
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 11:38 am   #20
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I did have a look at the interior photos of that one on line and it does look very well constructed and laid out, with the seperate power amplifier sited in the base of the cabinet. I also noticed how all the rf valves have individual
screening. By comparison, at the time they must have cost as much as a modest house would.
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