UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Powered By Google Custom Search Vintage Radio Service Data

Go Back   UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum > Specific Vintage Equipment > Vintage Television and Video

Notices

Vintage Television and Video Vintage television and video equipment, programmes, VCRs etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 13th Jun 2018, 6:52 pm   #1
Richard_FM
Hexode
 
Richard_FM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Stockport, Cheshire, UK.
Posts: 333
Default "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Does anyone remember the CCTV cameras that used to be common in shops from I'm guessing the late 1970s to the early 1990s?

They consisted of an upturned rotating black dome with a number of chrome camera lenses projecting, along with a couple of red lights to show it was in use.

The overall effect was something that the BBC special effects team would make to install in a Dalek base or spaceship.

Does anyone know who made them, & if any have been salvaged by collectors in the last 20 or so years?
Richard_FM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 7:08 pm   #2
AC/HL
Moderator
 
AC/HL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Heckmondwike, West Yorkshire, UK.
Posts: 6,280
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I always thought they were mainly fake, especially with an indicator light.
__________________
Bill, BVWS member
AC/HL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 7:12 pm   #3
Lloyd 1985
Octode
 
Lloyd 1985's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Coningsby, Lincolnshire, UK.
Posts: 1,304
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I’m sure I remember a thread on here, or possibly VRAT about these cameras, there were photos of ones internals, I think that one of the lenses had a real camera behind it too, unless I dreamt that bit!

Regards
Lloyd
Lloyd 1985 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 7:27 pm   #4
MrBungle
Nonode
 
MrBungle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: London, UK.
Posts: 2,450
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Definitely had a real camera behind them. In my youth back when I was even more obnoxious and disagreeable I mooned one and got the unwanted attention of the C&A security staff at Wood Green shopping city
MrBungle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 7:35 pm   #5
G6Tanuki
Dekatron
 
G6Tanuki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Wiltshire, UK.
Posts: 6,066
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I remember them well: always understood that they were what we would these days call "security theatre" (or shoud that be security-pantomime?)

In the same vein: 1980s/1990s fake 'security-cameras' that come with an embedded PP3-battery/LM3909-chip/red-flashing-LED. Real security-cameras don't draw attention to themselves with flashing red LEDs and the real criminals know this.
G6Tanuki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 7:41 pm   #6
beery
Heptode
 
beery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ware, Hertfordshire, UK.
Posts: 572
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Hi all,

Bigclive takes one apart here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tv_A1bvCs

It is rather crude inside really.

Cheers
Andy
beery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 8:00 pm   #7
slidertogrid
Heptode
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, UK.
Posts: 800
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

The ones I remember in the early 1970's were not like the ones in the youtube clip they were a black sphere with camera lenses poking out at all angles they had the red light and rotated.

They were used in a discount store called Briley's in Peterborough. Frank Briley had a reputation of being a bit of a wide boy, he did lots of publicity stunts involving Walter Cornelius "The birdman of Peterborough". He also had a "fire" from time to time and while the store was being repaired sold his stuff from stalls along the river embankment which was near his shop on the town bridge.
As a kid I remember watching the cameras as they were very Sci-Fi and not seen anywhere else. My dad always said they were fake though as he didn't think Frank Briley would pay for real ones. the shop was a bit run down, you had to watch out for the potholes in the floor...

Rich.
slidertogrid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 8:06 pm   #8
Tractorfan
Nonode
 
Tractorfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St. Frajou, l'Isle en Dodon, Haute Garonne, France.(Previously: Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, UK.)
Posts: 2,738
Smile Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Hi,
I remember seeing them in Lewis's department store in Liverpool as a kid in the 60s. (As well as noticing the unusual twin gang 'Walsall' type mains sockets at the base of each stone column!)
The cameras had five lenses, including one that pointed straight down looking at the floor. They had two red flashing lights and were hemispherical, instead of the later hexagonal shape. OI presume they had something like a 1" vidicon camera within.
They moved round and scanned the area before reversing back again.
Of course, no one knew which was the real camera.
Cheers, Pete.
__________________
"Hello?, Yes, I'm on the train, I might lose the signal soon as we're just going into a tunn..."
Tractorfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 8:15 pm   #9
julie_m
Dekatron
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Derby, UK.
Posts: 6,671
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Some of the larger stores in Derby -- certainly Debenhams, probably Boots and maybe Woolworths or Littlewoods had them.

The real camera was not even aimed out of one of the lenses (which were all dummies), but through a part-silvered mirror strip.
__________________
Julie {formerly known AJS_Derby}
julie_m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 8:54 pm   #10
Lucien Nunes
Octode
 
Lucien Nunes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: London, UK.
Posts: 1,583
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I think the type mentioned is the 'Photo-Scan' See brief video clip here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqAKhmpzDU8

I have a vague recollection of a similar-looking device where the dome is static and presumably all but one of the lenses are dummies. The name 'Scan-Dome' comes to mind, however searching for that name only finds modern items.
__________________
Three anodes good, six anodes better!
Lucien Nunes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 9:18 pm   #11
Richard_FM
Hexode
 
Richard_FM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Stockport, Cheshire, UK.
Posts: 333
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I remember the Boots in Stockport had them in the 1980s, & some of the bigger shops in Manchester too.

I can't remember the last time I saw one in operation, I think the WH Smiths in either Leicester or Nottingham had them in the mid 1990s.
Richard_FM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 9:50 pm   #12
OscarFoxtrot
Heptode
 
OscarFoxtrot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Edinburgh, UK.
Posts: 555
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Quote:
Siemens on Thursday agreed to buy Photo-Scan...
The installer of closed-circuit television security systems for the Bank of England, Harrods and the Thames Barrier, ... Photo-Scan is a technological leader, having introduced the first CCTV camera to rotate through 360 degrees.
https://www.ft.com/content/883642aa-...1-00000e2511c8

I think the local Debenhams still has a Dalek-camera over the cosmetics counters.
OscarFoxtrot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:08 pm   #13
Rubberfingers
Pentode
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Dorset, UK.
Posts: 142
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I'd forgotton about those!, the black rotating ones, rather than Big Clives version, used to be in the Woolco store in the Hampshire Centre (now Castlepoint, for locals) in Bournemouth in the 1970's
Rubberfingers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:23 pm   #14
Cobaltblue
Nonode
 
Cobaltblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Exeter and Poole, UK.
Posts: 2,732
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Quote:
Originally Posted by OscarFoxtrot View Post
Quote:
Siemens on Thursday agreed to buy Photo-Scan...
The installer of closed-circuit television security systems for the Bank of England, Harrods and the Thames Barrier, ... Photo-Scan is a technological leader, having introduced the first CCTV camera to rotate through 360 degrees.
https://www.ft.com/content/883642aa-...1-00000e2511c8

I think the local Debenhams still has a Dalek-camera over the cosmetics counters.
That link only seems to be of any use if you sign up :thumbsup

Cheers

Mike T
__________________
Don't care if it was a bargain why's it on my table?
Mike T BVWS member.
www.cossor.co.uk
Cobaltblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:43 pm   #15
Refugee
Dekatron
 
Refugee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Worksop, Nottinghamshire, UK.
Posts: 3,193
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I can mainly remember them in Woolworths.
One branch had an in store monitor and they did rotate.
One lens was a fish eye so that they could see down as well. It was more obvious if the one shown on the in store monitor was rotated.
Refugee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th Jun 2018, 11:48 pm   #16
McMurdo
Dekatron
 
McMurdo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Staffordshire Moorlands, UK.
Posts: 3,087
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Lewis's in Hanley also had the dalek ones. I'm sure at one time they had a couple of suspended monitors over one of the entrances showing the output. I always thought they were pretty real.

Edit: found this article from a trade journal.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	camera.jpg
Views:	180
Size:	98.7 KB
ID:	164547  
__________________
Kevin

Last edited by McMurdo; 14th Jun 2018 at 12:13 am.
McMurdo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Jun 2018, 2:28 am   #17
John123
Heptode
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Luton, Bedfordshire, UK.
Posts: 570
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I remember seeing them in Woolies, C&A, and W.H. Smith, along with the tired old monitor that would be placed up high over the entrances. They were pretty much phased out by the late nineties. Found a pic:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Bxcw3huIYAELjBy.jpg
Views:	122
Size:	43.9 KB
ID:	164550  
__________________
Regards,
John
John123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Jun 2018, 8:26 am   #18
jjl
Heptode
 
jjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ware, Herts. UK.
Posts: 815
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tractorfan View Post
Hi,
I remember seeing them in Lewis's department store in Liverpool as a kid in the 60s. (As well as noticing the unusual twin gang 'Walsall' type mains sockets at the base of each stone column!)
The cameras had five lenses, including one that pointed straight down looking at the floor. They had two red flashing lights and were hemispherical, instead of the later hexagonal shape. OI presume they had something like a 1" vidicon camera within.
They moved round and scanned the area before reversing back again.
Of course, no one knew which was the real camera.
Cheers, Pete.
Lewis's and C&A in Leicester had the black hemispherical type when I first visited these shops around 1970. Lewis's still had them in 1981 / 82 when I had a Saturday job there.

John
jjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Jun 2018, 10:25 am   #19
electronicskip
Heptode
 
electronicskip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gloucester, Glos. UK.
Posts: 676
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

Pretty sure Selfridge's in Oxford had them when I was at college .
electronicskip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Jun 2018, 1:24 pm   #20
beery
Heptode
 
beery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ware, Hertfordshire, UK.
Posts: 572
Default Re: "Dalek" CCTV cameras

I wouldn't be surprised if the ones used in Boots were the same inside as the type that bigclive takes apart.
Anyway, they do remind me of this:-
https://www.starwars.com/databank/interrogation-droid

Going back to my earlier comment about being crude inside. Well yes clearly the rotating mechanism is well made, I mean look at the lovely laced cable-form in bigclive's video. However, as I child I always imagined that an operator could turn it at will to track an individual. It never occurred to me that it simply rotated a small amount at regular intervals.
Of course a camera that rotates every so often is not that useful in practice. Fixed cameras directed at points of interest such as the doors, the tills and aisles by high ticket items are of much more use, but perhaps less of a deterrent.

Cheers
Andy

Last edited by beery; 14th Jun 2018 at 1:24 pm. Reason: spelling
beery is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 7:02 am.


All information and advice on this forum is subject to the WARNING AND DISCLAIMER located at https://www.vintage-radio.net/rules.html.
Failure to heed this warning may result in death or serious injury to yourself and/or others.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2002 - 2018, Paul Stenning.