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3rd Jan 2015, 1:04 pm | #1 |
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Audio Signal Injector
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3rd Jan 2015, 3:24 pm | #2 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
Thanks, very useful indeed and beautifully simple.
Regards, Paul
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3rd Jan 2015, 3:52 pm | #3 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
If you use silicon transistors it will produce higher frequency harmonics, better for RF/IF work.
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3rd Jan 2015, 10:00 pm | #4 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
This circuit relies on the leakage current of the germanium transistors to work. (It probably makes a good audio thermometer.)
With the much lower leakage current of silicon devices, resistors from base to -ve supply for each transistor would be required for it to function (220k?) Jim |
3rd Jan 2015, 10:22 pm | #5 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
Yes, you're quite right.
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5th Jan 2015, 4:31 pm | #6 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
Could I perhaps suggest that VU2NAN should just post one link to his home page, instead of starting lots of threads here and elswhere (e.g. DIYaudio) to promote individual pages on his website? If we all did what he is doing then forums would rapidly fill up with personal adverts instead of discussion.
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6th Jan 2015, 6:42 am | #7 | |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
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I agree with you. Thank you. 73, Nandu. |
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7th Jan 2015, 7:21 am | #8 |
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7th Jan 2015, 3:27 pm | #9 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
Am I missing something, or is the circuit in the OP just a PNP astable multi-vibrator? Not sure it would even work without any proper bias on the bases. Must be relying on leakage through the capacitors!
Here's a more reliable design using any cheap NPN silicon transistors. Change C1/C2 to change frequency. As Paul says in post 3, modern silicon transistors will also be better for IF/RF work. Ian |
7th Jan 2015, 7:04 pm | #10 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
Hi OM Ian,
It's just that. Base bias is not required on account of Germanium transistor junction leakages. That's what makes the circuits using Germanium transistors simpler. 73, Nandu. |
7th Jan 2015, 8:12 pm | #11 | |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
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I've never seen a germanium transistor multi-vibrator circuit without some base biasing resistors to ensure consistent and reliable operation. I'm not sure that hoping a circuit will function on a variable (and not usually desirable) parameter like internal leakage is necessarily good design practice... Ian |
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7th Jan 2015, 8:25 pm | #12 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
...but perfectly OK for simple homebrew circuits, surely.
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9th Jan 2015, 2:26 am | #13 |
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Re: Audio Signal Injector
I've always used a Cmos gate oscillator giving at original frequency something on the audio range works well into the RF range. First one I built was to fault a radio board. I'd bought two non working boards to make one for a project. Worked a treat into the RF range.
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