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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 11:26 am   #2221
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Default Re: The Audiophoolery Thread.

The ominous (and important) thing about any forum or social media site representing current-manufacture items is that you never know if personable-seeming John Doe who swears by this interconnect or that anti-wrinkle cream is just a front for a cynical marketing drive. The great thing about this forum and other vintage sites is that there's little financial incentive behind an interest in things that ceased manufacture and went obsolescent half-a-century ago!
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 11:36 am   #2222
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I have just spent £4.90 on a return railway ticket to Marlow, I got off at Bourne End and walked to Marlow (rather nice Thames side job). During the walk I had the very best bird song HiFi imaginable. Should I have gone first class to improve this, then it may have sounded fuller and richer.
When on the train, were you facing the direction of travel? As facing the wrong way I would imagine (much like directional cabling), could have a dramatic effect on the enjoyment factor.

But yes, the world in full HD & glorious HiFi stereo is literally, a short ride through the great outdoors, in some cases, a short walk

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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 12:12 pm   #2223
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Default Re: The Audiophoolery Thread.

I agree totally with the comments above from turretslug.

In recent weeks I had reason to "call-out" someone on another Forum that I knew worked in the Hi-Fi shop he was promoting! The discussion was around speaker plugs and the person in question recommended going to a particular shop to purchase a specific brand of plug! Since then there have been no new Posts from that particular John Doe!

I have no problems with individuals from manufactures or retail outlets contributing to online Forums so long as they clearly identify themselves, thereby leaving others to make up their own mind.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 12:23 pm   #2224
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The folk-wisdom in some hifi magazines and webpages is that you must spend a certain fraction of the cost of your entire system on "Interconnects".

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Well yes, I was aware of that 'rule of thumb'. In this case, what's the total budget if £20K is to be spent on cable?
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 12:29 pm   #2225
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Back in the day I was CTO of Wharfedale. At that point, 30 years ago or so, they were a very serious company. They had a laser doppler velocimeter to visualise cone and surround modes. And an auditioning room for listening tests (in mono) via a switch box.

Although some things were were bought in (like enclosures and magnets), everything else was manufactured in house. Vacuum forming of cones, winding of voice coils and final assembly. All at quite a rate; Diamond speakers alone were churned out at >50,000 pairs per annum.

It had wonderful quirks. The old boy that was the draughtsman insisted in doing dimensioned and toleranced drawings of the crossover circuit boards. The board house must have had a chuckle. When I challenged him over this, he said (I kid you not) "when I used to draw parts for steam locomotives, dimensioned drawings were good enough for that - so is is good enough for these crossover boards". Couldn't shift him on that - he probably thought I was a young 30-odd year old whippersnapper that knew nowt.

Definitely not audiophool!
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 1:43 pm   #2226
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The folk-wisdom in some hifi magazines and webpages is that you must spend a certain fraction of the cost of your entire system on "Interconnects".

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And what's wrong with this? If you allocate zero budget to interconnects and speaker cable, you won't get any sound!
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 2:41 pm   #2227
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The figure bandied about at Arcam was 20%, 1% would be plenty.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 2:58 pm   #2228
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Someone must have really good hearing to be able to diagnose financial mismatch. I think it's mostly detected by using the eyeballs in reality.

I'm still enjoying the railway analogy. Hmm, if you'd gone first class, would you have felt so much more arrived? Be careful, because a really expensive journey (say, by not booking ahead of time) could force you to have to re-do all your previous journeys.

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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 3:36 pm   #2229
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Just happened upon a post on a Facebook hifi page where a guy asks if him spending £20k on cables is enough?!
I regard myself as a reasonably polite person. I often keep my opinions to myself.
However, the quoted audiophile needs to grow up and look around at the world.
Then get therapy for anxiety issues.

I bet his record collection is utter tripe.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 3:46 pm   #2230
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It may be tripe, but it's 180gram tripe!

Personally, I can use telekinesis to transmit sound between devices, so I don't need cables at all. The irony is, if you believe what I'm saying, then you're probably in the right demographic for £20K cables.
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 4:42 pm   #2231
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I'm still enjoying the railway analogy. Hmm, if you'd gone first class, would you have felt so much more arrived?
I'm not sure about this analogy as you could also apply it to flying, and I can assure you from experience that I definitely felt more "arrived" after a 13 hour flight in Business Class than I did after a 13 hour flight in Economy!
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Old 23rd Mar 2021, 5:40 pm   #2232
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The modern word is "destinated" about 20% longer than "arrived", must be better.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 1:07 pm   #2233
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I'll just leave this here. Obviously I'm just off out to buy some...

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipmen...ll_speaker.htm
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 9:03 pm   #2234
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Nice that they went to so much trouble to list all the equipment they used to listen to their cables with.

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Old 31st Mar 2021, 11:10 pm   #2235
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I'll just leave this here. Obviously I'm just off out to buy some...

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipmen...ll_speaker.htm
It's one of the best that one. Utter tosh.
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 9:19 am   #2237
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Actually that site is a goldmine of reviews of this sort of stuff.

One of the contributors allegedly believes that your CD player sounds better if you start it by pressing ‘Play’ using the front panel button as opposed to using the using the remote control!
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I'll just leave this here. Obviously I'm just off out to buy some...

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipmen...ll_speaker.htm
"LessLoss makes no claim as to the Firewalls having any obviously measurable changes in the output of the signal at audio frequencies"
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Presumably to avoid possible costly distortion introduced by the ASA
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Also has the perverse advantage of convincing your customers that their hearing is better than any measuring equipment, because they can hear a difference, can't they ? Once you've persuaded them of that they're yours for the taking.

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