31st Jan 2021, 3:39 pm | #101 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
Well I'm glad its going. Clean examples sell on eBay etc for well over £1000, I don't think the memory issue is going to put much of a dent in that. It is possible to get NOS 6550's (they're around £15 each) but if I needed to get 6 then for £90 you could expand it to 32k, I'm not sure having the full 8k is going to add £120 to its value but I guess if it doesn't sell because if its memory then you could always try that later.
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31st Jan 2021, 5:22 pm | #102 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
My main concern here is to pass it on to someone who will value the PET for what it is rather than what it's worth. My reward has been the pleasure gained from learning something new and the satisfaction associated with returning the PET to good health.
Before it goes I would quite like to see it operating with a full 8k of RAM. The only supplier of MPS 6550s I've found is LittleDiode and aside from the £15 a piece price tag I'm wary of the supplier's somewhat dubious reputation but that's not for discussion here. Another option could be: https://www.tindie.com/products/niva...550-pet-2001s/ Looks like a very neat and easily reversible solution at a reasonable price I think. I'm not sure that I'm in the mood to go down the DIY route. All food for thought. I musn't forget that I still need to sort out the datasette assuming it can be recovered from its hiding place. It'll almost certainly need a new belt after all this time. Alan |
31st Jan 2021, 6:34 pm | #103 |
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That really does look like a good solution, and as you say is a reversable solution should your future owner wish to.
I appreciate you're not doing it for the money, I suppose my main point was the cost of "authentic" memory is only worth it if authenticity is a top priority. I hope you find a worthy new owner who will look after it The enthusiast community for these computers is small but in recent years seems to have taken off. |
2nd Feb 2021, 8:07 pm | #104 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
Once I get started on something like this I sometimes find it difficult to stop and that’s the way it’s been with the PET. The scratches on top of the monitor in particular have been irritating me. Added to that two of the four case fixing screws had gone missing plus three of eight tiny self-tappers securing the keyboard in position. The keys also needed a thorough clean. Disguising scratches by retouching rarely looks good so I decided to respray the top of the monitor. The rest of the case is in such good condition it didn’t warrant a full respray. Before and after photos are attached. The paint is actually radiator enamel and is a reasonably good match. The keyboard has been cleaned too (see photo) and I’ve replaced the missing screws. The 8k RAM Replacement as well as the datasette belt are on order. Alan
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2nd Feb 2021, 8:19 pm | #105 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
Seeing the keyboard, reminds me that all of the ones I came in contact with had the 'A' key severely worn away. The rest were OK.
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2nd Feb 2021, 10:19 pm | #106 |
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The keyboard looks great. I've got to replace a keycap on mine, possibly a plunger, which will be interesting. Other than that the caps aren't worn, because I built a "proper" keyboard from a VT52 keyboard back in the day so the PET keyboard was only really used for typing graphics characters.
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3rd Feb 2021, 10:42 am | #107 |
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I suspect that the condition of the keyboard is indicative of something that was bought as an expensive toy and rapidly became a white elephant when the RAM failed. Not much that can be done done about yellowing of the keys unfortunately.
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3rd Feb 2021, 11:39 am | #108 |
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"Retrobriting" with peroxide and UV light is very trendy in the retro computer community for yellowed plastics, but with this keyboard given the aluminium keycap legends I wouldn't recommend it. To be honest, I don't mind the slight signs of age and I've seen plastics ruined with retrobriting. It can make them blotchy or brittle.
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3rd Feb 2021, 11:43 am | #109 |
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Agreed and they will remain as they are.
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4th Feb 2021, 2:19 pm | #110 |
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Hi I would love this computer, however I live on the Isle of Man, so postage would be a problem. What were you thinking of for selling it? I have a working CBM 4032 plus two cassette drives and software, I'd love a chiclet key PET.
Hope you can pass it on to someone who can look after it Thanks Nick |
4th Feb 2021, 3:27 pm | #111 |
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Will send a PM to Nick explaining my current thinking. In the meantime I'm waiting for the datasette and the 8k RAM board to arrive although I do now have a new belt for the datasette. General cleaning and fettling is ongoing.
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6th Feb 2021, 10:27 pm | #112 |
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The 8k RAM replacement board (see post #102 above for details) arrived today and has now been fitted. Have to say that I'm delighted with it. The PET is pleased too and is running at full RAM capacity such as it is. See attached photos.
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7th Feb 2021, 10:42 am | #113 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
Be careful aj, very soon you'll be giving it a PET name and clearing a permanent place for it to live.
I think if I owned one of those in original working order I'd still buy one of those reasonably priced RAM boards and put it aside as a very quick way of immediately eliminating the RAM as a cause of any future faults. |
7th Feb 2021, 4:44 pm | #114 |
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I've been relaxing with the VICE PET emulator reliving my days of youth programming the 2001.... Its been quite an eye-opener, you kind of get used to how fast modern computers are. Its certainly a LOT easier writing assembler on a laptop and copying it to the emulators simulated floppy to try it out! I've also started recreating Star Trek based on David Ahls "101 BASIC computer games" book, although I've had to "upgrade" the 2001 to 32k to fit it in.... Should have plenty to play with by the time I get my actual PET working.
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8th Feb 2021, 10:00 am | #115 |
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11th Feb 2021, 2:54 pm | #116 |
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All efforts (by proxy) to locate the original datasette have so far come to nought. As it doesn't look likely that I'll be able to look for it in person for a while I decided to take a chance on a 'parts' datasette which duly arrived in the post yesterday. The attached photos are indicative of the fact that this will be something of a mini restoration project in its own right.
Although the machine appears to be complete an initial assessment has revealed the following issues: 1. The tape was applied because one of the three case fixings is damaged. 2. There's a small piece missing from the front upper half of the case. 3. There are burn marks to the top just above the keys. 4. This particular datasette was probably sold to complement a VIC20 as the cable is far too long for the PET. 5. The drive belt is badly perished. 6. The silver trim (paint) around the cassette window has largely worn away. I'm not at all unhappy with the seller's description nor the price paid and am looking forward to working on it. Progress reports to follow. Alan |
11th Feb 2021, 2:58 pm | #117 |
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Re: Commodore PET 2001
It does sound as though you're delighted that it has so many minor problems to sort out.
If it had been honestly described I suspect you'd be perfectly happy with it. |
11th Feb 2021, 4:52 pm | #118 |
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I'm delighted with anything interesting that helps to keep me occupied during lockdown.
In fairness to the seller I hope to have made it clear that the datasette was very honestly described with lots of clear photos. Alan |
11th Feb 2021, 5:48 pm | #119 |
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Poor thing looks like it has had a hard time! Still, with a bit of a clean up it should look OK although the "scar" on the face will probably not polish out. It looks like the datasette sold for the PET as the "second cassette" (to plug in the port at the back). There was one just like that (minus the fabric tape!) at school when I was a nipper.
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12th Feb 2021, 10:46 am | #120 |
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Good point about the likelihood of this datasette being intended for use as a second unit, thus the long cable. Thinking about it the VIC 20 version was the same shape but white with the addition of a tape counter. I had thought about shortening the cable to match the PET's original datasette but it might be better to simply dress the long cable with a tie-wrap. For information I'm attaching a copy of the C2N datasette service manual although it only deals with the electronics of the various versions. The PET 2001-8 uses the early #320009 assembly. Alan
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