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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 12:20 pm   #1
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Default Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

"I believe there was an ink stamping thing, a bit like the ones used for stamping dates onto paper, which was used for this. See, for example,

https://www.vintassion.com/vintage-6...r-labels/I3923 "

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The machine in the photographs in the above link show a 'Machine No 31' used for stamping the numbers on dial labels for use in kiosks. The larger numbers were stamped on blank Labels No 160 that had been printed with the exchange name in large letters. That machine was introduced circa 1960 when the GPO started putting a large 'X' on the end of kiosk numbers to indicate to the operator it was a public kiosk. It can clearly be seen after the 6th digit in the above link photos

The original used on dial labels prior to 1960 was a 'Machine Numbering No 5' - see the Swanage label in attached photo.

Circa 1960 it was replaced by a 'Machine Numbering No 32' with similar sized numbers but of a slightly different font. See the Amlwch label in the attached. Note the different style of the figure '3'

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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

Hi back in the day when I worked for the GPO (started in 1979 ) I had one of these as a lineman fitter, passed it on when I became a TO on big switch

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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

Ian, ENM or English Numbering Machines were absorbed by Fisher Karpark Industry in Sowerby Bridge, near Halifax.

I worked in Inspection for nine years looking at these stampers (under the REXEL label) and saw some of the mazak pieces, such as the frame, replaced by injection moulded plastic.

They appear on eBay occasionally, try searching for Rexel.
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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

Thanks for the info Ken. The ones in the attached photos are part of my collection of 'GPO' bits & pieces gathered over the last half century (I was a TO with the GPO 50+ years ago ) I use them to stamp the Dial Labels in my collection of phones.

I notice the early boxes were labelled 'ENM', changing to 'Rexel-ENM' and later to just 'Rexel'. Various of my numbering machines have all the box types!

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Hi back in the day when I worked for the GPO (started in 1979 ) I had one of these as a lineman fitter, passed it on when I became a TO on big switch
From memory, these were a standard part of an installers kit way back in the late 60's.
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I'll dig out some old photos for you Ian, and I may have some sales brochures from the 90's.

What is a TO?
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TECHNICAL OFFICER- The blokes working on most telecom functions would be Technicians of ( in the old days ) either of two grades. The more technically qualified staff were employed in Technical Officer posts. This required acquiring technical qualifications and going on & passing courses to qualify for the promotion.
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This all changed when newgrid came into force and the T2B/T2A became B1 and B2 the TO became a C3 and the dizzy highs of D1 ( super TO came in to force)

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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

Thanks Ian for answering my question about stamping machines. It's something that I have wondered about for decades

I remember the X at the end of TK numbers. What would be the consequence of failing to quote the X to the operator?

Could someone successfully reverse the charges to the TK?
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The 'X' appeared from memory around the time of approaching STD introduction. On those days, when a caller on a 'call office line' (the GPO term for a line with a con collecting box on it) dialled '0' for the operator, the call arrived on the manual board on a line with a red opal (light) so the operator knew it was from a coinbox. Reverse charged calls were not allowed to a call office number. Sometimes it was possible to dial the code to another exchange followed by a '0' in which case the call arrived as a all from an 'ordinary' line and operator treated it as such until when she asked for the number and was told it was ......X when they then realised it was a 'fiddled' call.

But once STD was introduced, POA (Pay on Answer) payphones were introduced. When '100' was dialled to reach the operator, rapid 'pips' were put on the line when they answered, by the 'Coin & Fee Checking' relay sets in the exchange. The operator then knew it was from a coinbox.

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From memory, the X existed long before STD introduction. On the old style of manual board with opals, Coin boxes used a red opal. I seem to remember something similar on the older doll eye boards, but I can't remember how it was achieved.
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Similar numbering machines were in common use in lots of places till the advent of computer printing, I first came across them when working in a library 40 odd years ago, they were used to print accession numbers on new library stock. They could be set to print the same number several times before automatically going on to the next number in the sequence; so the book and probably 2 catalogue index cards could be numbered before moving on to the next book.
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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

I used to work for a solicitors & one of my duties was to number documents with a stamp that could be set to move the number on by one after each stamp.

Not for the weak handed if you have to number 500 pages of paperwork!

The stamp could probably do other sequences but I never tried messing with the settings.
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From memory, the X existed long before STD introduction. On the old style of manual board with opals, Coin boxes used a red opal. I seem to remember something similar on the older doll eye boards, but I can't remember how it was achieved.
There was a red label on the indicator designation strip above the jack/indicator. See attached photo of subscriber 215 on 'Glenmositon' exchange - a small 20 line switchboard in the then village post office at Inver Moriston at the south west corner of Loch Ness from 1925 until 1955. The only surviving CBS No 3 exchange of the 475 that the GPO had in service back in the 1920's until c1960. Similar markings on a CBS2 160 line switchboard that was 'Braunton' exchange until the late 1960's. Both now in North Wales.
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Default Re: Dial Label Number Stamping Machine.

Back in the mid 80's I was shown around BT Yarnfield and in the marine cables section was a store room full of wooden PBX consoles, and, at one end, rows of dusty dexion shelving full of telephone dial mechanisms, stamps & rubber blocks for the exchange names.
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Bit adrift, but you surely refer to the place affectionately known as STONE, where there were two sections, one ancient ex-military huts housing the transmission training school and the modern block housing the admin /dining section and possibly the exchange stuff.
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the stamps, dials, pbx's and dial rubbers (and my little tour) was around the huts.
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