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19th Jun 2018, 8:50 pm | #1 |
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British Made TVs For Export
While 625 line sets seemed to be a common product for the British manufacturers pre-1964, did any make 525 line sets for export to the Commonwealth countries who used NTSC?
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20th Jun 2018, 11:29 am | #2 |
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Hi Richard,
I have a question, what is a 525 lines Commonwealth country? I am sorry to say that I have all the Commonwealth countries not present, but this has to be a country on the american continent!? Correct me if I am wrong, please. I have 3 exported english CCIR sets, Bush TV 22-F (foreign/Netherlands), 1956 Alba 14" (type not present/Spain) and a Pye from about 1959 (17") The PYE has user informations on the back in different languages, incl. arabian writing. The PYE was sold in Finland. I see the 525 lines standard only in connection with 60 Hz mains. Best regards, German Dalek
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20th Jun 2018, 11:41 am | #3 |
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Did British Honduras / Belize use 60Hz? I don't even know when TV started there though.
British manufacturers would have had a hard time selling into markets dominated by the American big boys. Did Grundig ever export 525 TVs? |
20th Jun 2018, 11:50 am | #4 |
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Re: British Made TVs For Export
Canada was 525/60.
Honduras also. Jac |
20th Jun 2018, 11:53 am | #5 |
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Re: British Made TVs For Export
Possibly Jamaica and Bermuda too.
Peter p.s. I see Jamaica is 110v but 50Hz. Bermuda is 60Hz though. |
20th Jun 2018, 11:54 am | #6 |
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German Dalek wrote: "I have 3 exported english CCIR sets, Bush TV 22-F (foreign/Netherlands),
1956 Alba 14" (type not present/Spain) and a Pye from about 1959 (17")" That's interesting, I didn't know that Alba made TVs for export. DFWB. |
20th Jun 2018, 11:54 am | #7 |
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Yes, Grundig did!
They were exported and made in the US at the Majestic plant. To save taxes companies built plants in overseas countries. They send often the parts from the homeland and mounted the sets in the country where they entered the market. TV export and domestic productions are a part of my collection and interesting to see, who built TVs for Export. As I know, only Grundig made this in higher numbers. I have a re-imported Kuba Komet, that was an Imperial chassis, but there were not so many shipped/and partly mounted in the USA. But there was a presence in other south american states like Brasil, Chile. Best regards, German Dalek
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20th Jun 2018, 11:59 am | #8 |
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But there were many british made TVs in Spain. HMV and the others were present. Spain started in 1956 with Television, they had an own industry, but most of the 50s sets in Spain were german made and Philips. Another market for british TVs was Italy and a few I think to Sweden.I remember an advertisement in an old TV guide. But I never saw a british TV in Sweden. Best regards German Dalek
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20th Jun 2018, 12:54 pm | #10 |
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I was talking to the Ekco/Pye rep in the late 1960’s about cabinet design and the comment was made that their cabinets for the Italian market were vastly different in style to the UK ones.
I recollect he said more colourful than U.K. designs. We did like our mahogany and teak styles until RBM came out with brightly coloured cabinets.
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I was meaning the Caribbean islands in the Commonwealth, who seemed to be under the American sphere of influence in adopting standards, but I guessing the British electrical manufacturers were already exported their products to. Were some sets assembled anywhere from a UK chassis with a locally sourced cabinet? This sort of thing was common in the car industry for meeting local content quotas. |
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The only sets in my collection that has the CRT faces protruding past the mask like the British sets. |
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20th Jun 2018, 5:46 pm | #13 |
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I've noticed it's common for American TVs to have the screen with a thick bezel around the screen, & often used by the Japanese makers on their sets, which possible were designed with the American market in mind.
It's not just British sets that had a screen standing proud, my parents Belgian made Philips 16inch 2216 had one. |
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The two Grundigs I have were definitely made for the US market. Strictly NTSC and 120 Volt mains. |
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20th Jun 2018, 11:17 pm | #17 |
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Re: British Made TVs For Export
According to the attached Wireless World item, some British setmakers were offering export model 525/60 TV receivers as early as 1949:
At that time though, the US would have been the only market. British Commonwealth countries/territories that later adopted 525/60 would have been a few years away from starting their TV services. Whether these receivers were actively marketed in the USA to any extent is unknown, but it could be that they were aimed more at the personal export market. Cheers, |
20th Jun 2018, 11:28 pm | #18 |
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They may have had Canada in mind, though that would have been rather optimistic given the strength of the local electronics industry and the trading links with the US.
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20th Jun 2018, 11:35 pm | #19 |
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Yes, Maarten, thats true.
But just the common Philips TV sets like 21"/90°, 21"/110" and 23"/110° were million sellers all over the world. There are slightly different knobs, different cabins and of course different standards in use, but they look in all countries closeby the same. Philips sold TVs in Finland not only with the Philips name, mostly they called: Fenno Funkschau report in 1957: A picture shows experimental television in Portugal with a 21" Philips TV set. Best regards, German Dalek
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21st Jun 2018, 12:00 am | #20 |
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I've heard of Clairtone, a Canadian manufacturer of hi-fi equipment who made the mistake of starting to make colour TVs a few years before the market was ready.
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