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17th Dec 2019, 1:47 pm | #21 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
It's made me think. A small low-voltage auto transformer (1:1.2) would certainly work for AC heater supplies. But:
If heaters were parallel-connected, it would need to be connected one way round. If series-connected, it would need to be the other way round. And if operated from a 'stiff' voltage source of twice the nominal heater voltage but in series with another heater (an unlikely but not impossible scenario), then either connection of the autotransformer would result in a slight drop in power to the CRT. |
17th Dec 2019, 2:15 pm | #22 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
The output of the autotransformer only runs one heater, that of the CRT's gun. Looking into the auotransformer "primary" the voltage there is still 6.3V, but off the extension tap say 9v and a higher than usual current there. So all that happens is the "primary" current of the autotransformer is higher than the CRT heater current would normally have loaded it.
This is one reason why its more awkward to use one in a series heater chain on an AC DC set, rather than the typical American set with a power transformer with 6.3V heater supplies derived from a mains power transformer. In the series heater chain case, the current is set to some value to suit all the valves, and at that current, the CRT heater would drop its correct voltage, say 6.3V. So if an autotransformer is dropped into that series chain, the only way to get more power is to have its "primary" drop more voltage at the usual current, which means the load has to look like a higher resistance than the original CRT heater, but that implies the transformer would have to have a step down ratio, not step up ratio. So what you gain on the roundabout you lose on the swing by trying to use a booster transformer in a series heater chain. Simply because the series heater chain is effectively powered by a current source. For example shorting out the heater of one signal valve alone only slightly changes the current. As I mentioned previously, its more awkward which probably explains, given the predominance of AC/DC series heater chain sets in the UK, why the brighteners were not so common. |
17th Dec 2019, 3:36 pm | #23 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
Radio Constructor May 1960 " Is that tube really finished!" Les.
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17th Dec 2019, 4:30 pm | #24 | |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
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The transformer ran directly from the mains and had a special low capacitance secondary for use with a CRT that had suffered a heater-cathode short. That secondary isolated the heater from the cathode and enabled the video drive to be restored to the cathode. I suspect that video bandwidth must have suffered somewhat, but it saved buying a new tube. Martin
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17th Dec 2019, 6:33 pm | #26 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
The earliest reference I can find to real products that Clive Sinclair supplied via the Sinclair Radionics name seem to date from late 62 into 63, so he seems to have been doing a bit of moonlighting. Usually miniature novel audio and radio stuff. Like audio power amps that would fit on a half crown, or integrated pre/power amp capable of supplying 1/2W.
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17th Dec 2019, 6:53 pm | #27 | |
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What may have spoiled the use of a booster transformer in series heater chains is the use of a diode as a partial dropper. Though, by the time silicon diodes were coming available, CRT's were getting longer-lived, and cheaper too. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong!) Last edited by kalee20; 17th Dec 2019 at 6:54 pm. Reason: Typo |
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17th Dec 2019, 7:05 pm | #28 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
Part of me wonders if the sorts of TVs/tubes a 1960 booster would have been aimed at - the older models - would have been the first-generation types which still used a mains transformer for the heaters/HT.
When did series-heaters and flyback-derived-EHT become the norm for TVs in the UK? |
17th Dec 2019, 8:04 pm | #29 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
This was the most common setup when I was in the trade, sometimes R wasn't included, the old tube heater feed simply being shorted out:
http://www.oldtellys.co.uk/otmonotube.html Also used the boost tranny as part of a DIY tube bopper, +ve volts on the grid and tap away, posh DIY workshop boppers had an ammeter in series with the grid....Happy days: https://www.thevalvepage.com/teletec...ej/crt_rej.htm Lawrence. |
17th Dec 2019, 10:29 pm | #30 | |
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17th Dec 2019, 11:25 pm | #31 |
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USA series heater chain brightners. Interestingly the crt heaters are very low voltage compared to UK ones.
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18th Dec 2019, 7:23 am | #32 |
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18th Dec 2019, 10:30 am | #33 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
Perma-Bright advert, perhaps it’s an auto transformer but I don’t know, the advert states if the base is correct the boost will be, series or parallel. It’s possible the USA CRT’s used a range of heater voltages depending on its base type.
Looking at the photo that looks like a switch on the top. The only CRT boosters I saw were the Radio Spares type that required finding a suitable place to mount the transformer and wire it in. I didn’t see many, regunned and new CRT’s had become much more affordable in the 60’s.
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18th Dec 2019, 12:14 pm | #34 |
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Re: Tube brighteners.
A selection of Radiospares low capacity isolation and boost transformers. The 2volt version used to boost and isolate Mazda triode tubes that were notorious for developing heater cathode shorts.
Almost every Mazda triode ended up with one of these transformers wired to it's sensitive bit and was without doubt the most popular.The 6.3v version probably ended up coming in second place due to the popularity of 6.3v tubes. The 4volt version was much rarer being limited to mainly GEC and Ferranti tubes. They also marketed a 10.5volt version for EMI tubes but they didn't last long after boosting and the transformer was soon withdrawn, 'available until stocks are exhausted'. The 6.3 version reappeared in the Radiospares catalogue during the early colour era for boosting very expensive colour tubes. The 5.6K resistor method wired to the live heater pin of series connected tubes and valves was a nasty way of boosting the tube but the only way with DC mains and of course would not provide isolation and during the 1950's there were still many areas on a DC supply. Regards, John. |