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Old 9th Dec 2019, 7:57 pm   #21
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H&S can be taken to excess. In the CPC catalogue, the entries for mains leads that are not fitted with a plug are marked in red "Only for use by qualified personell". They don't ask for your qualifications when you order some.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 9:41 pm   #22
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Carelessness can also be taken to excess. There's nothing to stop anyone bypassing regulations if they so wish. We all see it daily, and most people get away with it most of the time. By doing so they take full and final responsibility for any direct or indirect consequences. The "THEY didn't warn me" argument doesn't apply in those cases, because THEY did, at some considerable length. People like us can appreciate and mitigate (but not remove) risks. Not all can, and they may be your neighbour or workmate.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 10:20 pm   #23
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Just to be clear, if any of us wanted to, we could disregard the law, and as much DCM stripper as we wish would be on its way to us 'under the radar' with just two mouse clicks, - one for 'Buy Now' the other for Paypal.

But no, however academically qualified we may be it makes no difference as far as the statutory requirements are concerned.

Only 'Professionals' are able to purchase and use dichloromethane based products, and only after successfully completing the HSE assessment and receiving a certificate of competence with a unique licence number. The use of dichloromethane based products is restricted regardless of the type of material being removed from an object.

A ban was placed on the market of dichloromethane (DCM)-based paint strippers for use by the general public after 6 December 2011 by the European Union on 3 June 2009. It became a Commission Regulation formally amending REACH (Commission Regulation (EU) No. 276/2010). In 2014 the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) produced the REACH Enforcement (Amendment) Regulations 2014 (SI 2014/2882).

The Regulations amend the REACH Enforcement Regulations 2008 (SI 2008/2852) to allow the supply and professional use in the UK of paint strippers based on the solvent dichloromethane (DCM) by introducing necessary training requirements and a mandatory HSE certificate of competence for professional users. Copies of the Regulations, explanatory memorandum and impact assessment are available at www.legislation.gov.uk.

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https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis19.pdf

https://icon.org.uk/system/files/doc...thane_faqs.pdf

So yes, by all means, anyone who is so inclined, can easily get hold if the stuff, if they are content to break the law.

Ride at your own risk.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:42 am   #24
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Lidl sell baufix or powerfix branded cans of solvent labelled either 'cellulose thinner' or 'paintbrush cleaner-restorer'. I havent found a paint that is resistant to it yet, and it's also dissolved paint brush handles, screwdrivers and welded a cleaning cloth to the back of my swivel chair. Worth a try!
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 12:45 am   #25
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Also known as "gunwash" for cleaning spray guns.
Its EXTREMELY active, not to mention flammable.

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In my day-job before I retired, I worked in a chemical research lab and could access dichloromethane and many other "dangerous" chemicals. I have a PhD in Organic Chemistry. Am I qualified to use dichloromethane-based paint stripper?

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I was working in a workshop once and a fellow from the institution wandered in and asked to use the drill press to drill a hole in a rectangular aluminium panel, he had a double doctorate. He managed after some time to get the drill into the chuck and set the stage to the right height, but when he lowered the drill onto the plate, the plate started to rotate. He kept pressing it down and watching it spin around (because he had not held or clamped the plate) and wondered why he couldn't drill the hole.

So regardless of the qualification level , there is still no substitute for training & experience it would appear. This is why it is also preferable that your surgeon has done thousands of the same type of case, if you are able to get that, especially operating on a high risk area.
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In my day-job before I retired, I worked in a chemical research lab and could access dichloromethane and many other "dangerous" chemicals. I have a PhD in Organic Chemistry. Am I qualified to use dichloromethane-based paint stripper?

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I was working in a workshop once and a fellow from the institution wandered in and asked to use the drill press to drill a hole in a rectangular aluminium panel, he had a double doctorate. He managed after some time to get the drill into the chuck and set the stage to the right height, but when he lowered the drill onto the plate, the plate started to rotate. He kept pressing it down and watching it spin around (because he had not held or clamped the plate) and wondered why he couldn't drill the hole.

So regardless of the qualification level , there is still no substitute for training & experience it would appear. This is why it is also preferable that your surgeon has done thousands of the same type of case, if you are able to get that, especially operating on a high risk area.
I think you have misunderstood what I was saying, Argus. My point was that I do know how to handle dichloromethane (and many other dangerous chemicals) by virtue of my laboratory experience of having done so (fume-hood, gloves, lab coat and safety-glasses probably at a minimum). The doctorate was simply to point out that I am a qualified chemist, not that I am in any way superior to any other human being.

Oh, incidentally, I wouldn't make the same mistake drilling a hole using a pillar-drill and I still have all of my fingers!

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 5:54 pm   #28
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I've had great success using DOT. 3 brake fluid over the years. It's much more effective than Nitromors.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 7:14 pm   #29
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That reminds me that the old Castrol Girling Crimson brake fluid used to be an excellent paint stripper, but it hasn't been in the shops for decades. I used to use it for stripping oil paints from polystyrene models prior to repainting. None of its replacements had any significant effect. Is DOT3 a commercial vehicle product?

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 9:32 pm   #30
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DOT 3 & DOT 4 are pretty much standard for most vehicles these days and both should work for paint stripping depending on the paint. Care needed though as with any paint stripper. Brake fluid is toxic and particularly damaging to the eyes if they become contaminated.

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Old 11th Dec 2019, 9:49 pm   #31
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Which brings us round to if it works well, it's probably toxic in one way or another, and needs handling and disposing with care.
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