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8th Dec 2017, 11:21 am | #1 |
Triode
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Spy Set SSTR-1
I am starting to build a new home made replica of the american clandestine radio SSTR-1. I look for some inside pictures. I choose for the TX type the B version. If someone is interested to the same work, glad to share the esperience.
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8th Dec 2017, 3:49 pm | #2 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
I suggest you try Google.
I found this very easily: http://militaryradio.com/spyradio/sstr1.html which has inside photos. |
8th Dec 2017, 5:41 pm | #3 |
Triode
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
TNX dear GMB, I started the replica following the P. McCollum site indications, but unfortunately some details it is not clear (Like the coils and 6L6 supports are secured to the front panel ?). mario
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8th Dec 2017, 6:21 pm | #4 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
I have the "D" version of xmtr. It has the same mounting and the bracket is soldered to the back of the front panel.
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8th Dec 2017, 8:41 pm | #5 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Hello Mario,
There is a video on YouTube on the SSTR-1. It might be of some use to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kLCvt9nKFs 73 Roger/G3VKM |
8th Dec 2017, 11:14 pm | #6 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Many TNX Bruce (wanderfull call M0 SOE). Immagined because no screws on the front panel. It is possible attach here some inside photos of your model C ?
Roger TNX for link, I already seen, but no usefull for my work. 73 |
8th Feb 2018, 4:39 pm | #7 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Done, or quasi.....SST-1 completed and operative. In this moment is in use a 6V6 with plate voltage of 250 Vdc. Power 2-2.3 W. In this conditions already done several QSOs and contacted France (449) and Germany (439). I am assempling a 400 V PSU and then i will put in a 6L6 tube. Missing some knobs and external box
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8th Feb 2018, 4:51 pm | #8 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Nice work! I love home-made tank coils/ inductors. I'm also struck by the lettering on the black case. How did you do the white lettering? It looks totally fit for purpose.
What is a QSO?
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8th Feb 2018, 5:15 pm | #9 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Lovely!
You should be able to get at least 5 Watts of RF out of a 6V6 when it's working in Class-C at RF. A 6L6 will give you 15 Watts of RF - at risk of overdriving the crystal! |
8th Feb 2018, 9:45 pm | #10 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
In amateur radio it's a contact, other unrelated disciplines have other meanings of course: http://www.qsl.net/w5www/qcode.html
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9th Feb 2018, 9:55 am | #11 |
Triode
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
TNX for the comments. For the lettering very simple, I used a rubber characters kit made to homebuilt stamp. Manufacturer TRODAT type 6004 (4 mm). Unfortunately no found white ink for stamp and used a white pen to wet the letters so the result no very good.
About the power 5 W should be OK, I guess that my 6V6 is a little tired, so I will test other tubes. It is possible to get 5 W with 250 plate voltage or in any case I have to improve the voltage ? TNX to all - Mario |
9th Feb 2018, 12:00 pm | #12 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
I would say Bella! Think that is correct in Italian.
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9th Feb 2018, 6:16 pm | #13 | |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
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If you ran it at this anode current and 250V, you would still be over-driving it by around 50%. Seems unwise to push it to 5W CW.
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9th Feb 2018, 6:31 pm | #14 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Max anode dissipation is given as 12 watts.
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9th Feb 2018, 10:38 pm | #15 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
Your source, please?
Here in the trustworthy Radio Museum, it clearly states at the bottom of the page, in 'Absolute Maximum Operating Conditions ... Pout, 5.5W' http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0015.htm If you multiply the maximum anode current by the maximum voltage, you get close to your 12W, but that doesn't mean the valve can tolerate it. It is 100% overdriven if we do this. Many power devices can be operated in pulse mode without exceeding these conditions, but that isn't realistic for CW. Triode-connected in one of its historic roles, as a TV vertical deflection amplifier --i,e, in pulse mode, with over 1KV on the anode-- it could dissipate 9W. (Can anyone refresh my memory on the *historic* (not current) frequency, hence period, of the vertical deflection circuit pulses, contemporary with this valve?) I'm thinking in the range tens of uS to sub 1mS... But if we actually look at the detail on the downloadable PDF for 'typical operation', when it is actually doing the useful work that we value, the valve is derated to 4.5W out with 250V on the anode.
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9th Feb 2018, 10:48 pm | #16 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/127/6/6V6.pdf
Max anode dissipation and Pout are not the same thing. The clue is in the word "dissipation" ie getting rid of heat.
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10th Feb 2018, 12:25 am | #17 | |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
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https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/084/6/6V6GT.pdf Lawrence. |
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10th Feb 2018, 2:11 pm | #18 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
It's the difference between audio use and RF PA operation. For CW the valve will be in Class C with nominally 66% efficiency. For 12W anode dissipation this can give an RF output of up to 24W.
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10th Feb 2018, 6:48 pm | #19 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
That’s interesting , Keith - and it’s great to hear your expertise to validate what is theoretically possible ...
but we don’t know it is running in class C! Sticking to the verifiable facts in ‘Notes from a user’ (link in post #2) , these clearly state that when the set was in use, the output was up to 10W with the valve horizontally mounted and immersed in motor oil as a coolant! I love this ingenuity! This is significant, because it suggests that even to get 10W out, anode dissipation would rise above the limit of with this tube of convection in air, (12W) which suggests a class of RF operation with just natural air (not forced-air) cooling that was not particularly efficient, definitely nowhere close to 66%. It also describes an ancillary RF amplifier for specific use with an RCA 815 twin beam power valve, comfy at 25W out, suggesting that this was the ‘natural’ design for covering the miles with this suitcase unit. I wonder could we see the circuit diagram?
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10th Feb 2018, 6:54 pm | #20 |
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Re: Spy Set SSTR-1
See the links in post #2.
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