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27th Oct 2022, 7:16 pm | #1 |
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Cutting porcelain?
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I need a reliable way to cut a porcelain?? tube for a homebrew RF project . Any tips appreciated. I’ve tried all the cutting tools available to me but they just skitter off the glassy surface and Also applying mechanical shock but no success and ragged fracture of a trial piece. It’s white porcelain, about 1cm dia and hollow Thanks folks
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27th Oct 2022, 7:20 pm | #2 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
How about an electric circular tile saw, water cooled/lubricated diamond wheel ? Someone you know prob has one.
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27th Oct 2022, 7:28 pm | #3 |
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That would be ideal but I don’t know anyone with one. Really hoping for something I might have overlooked with what I have, before I ditch the idea for another material.
Thanks though
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27th Oct 2022, 7:43 pm | #4 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
When drilling, I use PVC tape to stop the drill bit from sliding. It may also have the same effect when cutting, though I've never tried it.
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27th Oct 2022, 7:51 pm | #5 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
Welcome back Al, nice to hear from you after the break!
I've done a fair bit of stained glass cutting and I'd recommend you try a simple glass cutter, perhaps lubricated with oil. Push the tube against a piece of right-angled aluminium with your free hand whilst gently pressing the lubricated glass cutter at the desired length and rotate. With a confident pressure, place your thumbs either side of the score mark and press. If the desired length is very short, use a piece of cloth in some pliers. The whole thing takes a lot less time than it took me to type this! You can do this!
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27th Oct 2022, 9:36 pm | #6 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
A diamond cutting wheel in a basic Dremel-like tool should do it if you're careful and persistent.
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27th Oct 2022, 9:47 pm | #7 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
Pipe-cutter to make a score mark, then snap as Kentode says? There are diamond-covered wire 'blades' available that go in a fretsaw frame. I got some from the local hardware shop, so they can't be very peculiar. I believe they're for cutting tiles; as Paul says they're all much the same sort of thing.
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28th Oct 2022, 8:31 am | #8 | |
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I’ll try this out over the next few days! Thanks also to Dave, Paul and Uncle Bulgaria.
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28th Oct 2022, 10:48 am | #9 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
Some types of cerammics are so hard that diamond is going to be the only thing that works. For years I have managed to drill holes in glass and ceramic tiles using a masonry drill, rotated slowly in an oil bath and using high pressure, but trying this on the off cuts of the porcelain tiles left over from our shower, proved futile. The builders had used diamond drills to drill holes for fixings, and I soon found out why.
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28th Oct 2022, 4:57 pm | #10 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
I had a similar problem when cutting a broken terracotta garden planter a few months back. I eventually tried using the angle grinder, but that just led to overheating so I dumped the planter in the end. Ceramics are difficult to cut considering their fragility.
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28th Oct 2022, 6:51 pm | #11 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
I wonder if this would work (it usually does on glass) - wind string around it, meths on string, light it for several seconds, then drop into cold water to create a crack.
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29th Oct 2022, 10:30 am | #12 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
That sounds like it’s worth a try! Great suggestion! I’ll give it a whirl and report back.
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29th Oct 2022, 11:32 am | #13 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
There was a TV programme a few months ago showing how porcelain was traditionally made. The guy took a freshly-made porcelain cup out of the furnace and, while it was still glowing red hot, dropped it into a bucket of cold water, from which it emerged undamaged. Apparently that was the old test for quality.
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29th Oct 2022, 1:25 pm | #14 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
I wonder if you could perhaps use the method employed in backstreet CRT regunning shops to neck a tube?
Wind and few turns of thick bare copper wire round where you want the cut then connect the ends to a car battery using a couple of jump leads until the wire glows red hot.
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29th Oct 2022, 2:49 pm | #15 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
A high-speed mini drill ("dremel") with a slitting wheel def the way to go. The ordinary slitting wheels are cheap as chips, so it may take one or two but...
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29th Oct 2022, 7:29 pm | #16 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
You are looking at cutting a material that is both hard and tough.
There will be different grades of hard, but often ceramics of this type are used because of how hard they are and can resist wear. So cutting with an abrasive should be feasible, but you will need a hard abrasive. As suggested, diamond ought to do the trick, you might be on a hiding to nothing with anything less hard. I'd be trying with my diamond blade water cooled tile cutter (which is bordeing vintage and has a picture of Tommy Walsh on the box). Now on to tough. Lots of suggestions of treating it like glass, but glass is not tough. Glass is brittle so most of the suggestions rely on the thermal shock to crack the brittle material. Porcelain was a favourite for teacups and teapots for a reason. Pour in hot tea and it doesn't break because of thermal shock. So I can't see the method for glass working. BTW apparently the reason for 'milk in first' when pouring tea, was to protect poorer quality cups from the thermal shock, and nothing to do with taste. |
29th Oct 2022, 9:54 pm | #17 |
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Isn't an old spark plug a good item to practice on? I'm sure I've seen YouTube vids in which people cut and used spark plug ceramics as the nozzle for DIY grit blasters.
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30th Oct 2022, 1:35 pm | #18 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
I realise it not quite the same but the only reliable way I’ve found to cut porcelain tiles is with a angle grinder with suitable disc or for finer trims a wet tile cutter.
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30th Oct 2022, 6:00 pm | #19 |
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Re: Cutting porcelain?
It's just occurred to me that two of my crown's (molars) are porcelain. Where's Nickthedentist when you need him?
If l was Al I'd be putting the tube in my pocket next time I went for a checkup.
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30th Oct 2022, 6:07 pm | #20 |
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My dentist (located quite close to Silverstone) tells me he's done a job with his drill/accessories for a F1 team.
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