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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 9:09 pm   #61
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I don't recall GERUND, but all the english and latin grammatical expressions acquired 65 years ago no longer seem to apply. Present, future, perfect, future perfect, pluperfect etc all seem to be different today. My russian speaking wife is struggling to get her grammar correct, but I can help little other than offering a correct sentence as an example since she is learning the modern equivalent terms. Fortunately I can both speak and write in good english (most of the time).
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The resisting (gerund) of a flow of current is commonly achieved by a length of resistance (adjective) wire usually called a resistor (noun).

We also of course had the French Resistance (noun and completely OT!).

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Then there's the resistance which is futile......
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The resisting (gerund) of a flow of current is commonly achieved by a length of resistance (adjective) wire...
Well I'll be jiggered, I think this vindicates Al Skywave!
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Well I'll be jiggered. I think this vindicates Al Skywave!
And having read all that, I am tempted to make a suitable comment. So here it is: "No Comment".

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The resisting (gerund) of a flow of current is commonly achieved by a length of resistance (adjective) wire usually called a resistor (noun).
"The resisting of" is terrible English. The correct formulation is just "Resisting a flow of current is...". "Resisting" is still a gerund in that context.
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My 1897'ish Webster's provides 1 of 3 'physics' meanings to condenser: An instrument for concentrating electricity by the effect of induction between conducting plates separated by a nonconducting plate.
Capacitor hadn't been coined then.
Jar is described as the measure of what is contained in a jar. Example of Leyden Jar.
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"The resisting of" is terrible English. The correct formulation is just "Resisting a flow of current is...". "Resisting" is still a gerund in that context.
I disagree: it's not "terrible English" and neither is it wrong ("the correct formulation").

Another example:
The opening paragraph of this chapter is misleading.

I don't see anything incorrect in that: it's all a matter of style.

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant: the question is "resistance" - adjective or noun?

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We obviously need someone to look it up in the OED, but I expect, whatever it says, some people won't accept it.
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The name lives on with microphones. People normally refer to a condenser mike, not a capacitor mike.
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There are no rules in english, only accepted practice. That is what makes it so beautiful and annoying. A whole hotch potch of other languages, that is why natives (myself) can understand incomers who have only a small grasp of it, marvellous!

It does irk me slightly when conventions aren't used by those who should know better, in the end it is the message that matters after all. And when that happens I become un-irked.

Anyway (to quote Douglas Adams and others) "Resistance is futile".
 
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The preface to my (now rather ancient) Concise Oxford Dictionary observes that its contents reflect the then-current British English idiom and do not prescribe what that idiom ought to be.
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The modern trend is for dictionaries and grammarians to wash their hands of any responsibility, thus condoning poor English by failing to discourage it. Most dictionaries still indicate if a word is colloquial or vulgar. Perhaps they should also indicate if a word/construction is helpful or unhelpful. If not, we will soon have "of" listed in its new meaning: 'he could of stopped them', when this is clearly an error.
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The name lives on with microphones. People normally refer to a condenser mike, not a capacitor mike.
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And the rotary synchronous condenser, used for power-factor correction. Though the only thing that this has in common with the two-plates-plus-dielectric is that it draws current in quadrature with applied voltage!
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The opening paragraph of this chapter is misleading.

I don't see anything incorrect in that: it's all a matter of style.

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant: the question is "resistance" - adjective or n.

Hey Al, I just caught up with this.

Your sentence above, on closer inspection, doesn't have the same structure at all as:

'The resisting (gerund) of a flow of current is commonly achieved by a length of resistance (adjective) wire usually called a resistor (noun).'

'Opening', in 'opening paragraph', describes what kind of paragraph that is. Hence 'opening' is simply an adjective here.


Whereas in 'The resisting (gerund) of a flow of current is commonly achieved by a length of resistance (adjective) wire usually called a resistor (noun)...' 'the resisting' is a gerund.

I'm only saying this because it looks as if you posted your sentence as if it were structurally a mimic of the earlier one (you imply that you can substitute the bracketed terms.) It isn't.
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