Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

ianbutton1 · 13th Sep 2022, 2:48 pm

Hi, I've just joined . . .
My Pye Black Box 1022 has a BSR P128 Professional 4-speed turntable but is missing its cartridge. It seems to be a slide-in module that should have 4 sprung tabs to connect to the 4 tabs on the arm.
Can anybody tell me what cartridge I should be looking for?
Many thanks
Ian

paulsherwin · 13th Sep 2022, 3:04 pm

It sounds as if your P128 has lost its slide-out cartridge carrier. This is a BSR part and you can't fit a cartridge without it. Somebody may have one from a scrap deck - I think the same carrier was used on some other BSR decks, but I'm not a BSR expert.

Nickthedentist · 13th Sep 2022, 3:24 pm

Picture of the part you're missing (albeit broken!) here: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...7&d=1658495819

paulsherwin · 13th Sep 2022, 4:18 pm

This site in the US appears to have them, but they're not cheap - probably cheaper to buy a complete Black Box: https://www.turntableneedles.com/tur...dshells_wiring

ianbutton1 · 13th Sep 2022, 8:44 pm

Thank you all very much for the tips. Looking at pictures of Garrard cartridge sleds/holders, I might need a C1. I've uploaded some pics of the holder as attachments here.

ben · 14th Sep 2022, 10:13 pm

A Garrard type will NOT fit. It has to be a BSR one.

nicam49 · 14th Sep 2022, 10:16 pm

Is it a BSR or a Garrard deck..there's 3 sleds on that site for a BSR that look similar.

jamesperrett · 14th Sep 2022, 10:21 pm

You need a BSR cartridge holder - not a Garrard. I think the same arm was fitted to the MP60, HT70 and the 610. You can see a picture at

https://www.thestyluslady.co.uk/bsr-...647-1420-p.asp

but it is currently out of stock.

Once you have a cartridge holder you can fit a suitable cartridge. I had one of these players many years ago and I thought it used a Goldring G800 moving magnet cartridge but all the pictures that I can find show a ceramic cartridge so I may well have mis-remembered.

BSR used the same cut-out for most of their turntables so, if you can't find the cartridge holder for your turntable, you can replace the turntable with another BSR turntable.

joebog1 · 15th Sep 2022, 2:09 am

Philips in Australia had a very similar system.

Joe

Big jim · 19th Sep 2022, 10:36 am

Hi I'm sure I have a complete slider with a cartridge no stylus in my workshop somewhere I'll have look this afternoon. Jim

Big jim · 19th Sep 2022, 2:59 pm

This is what I've found

paulsherwin · 19th Sep 2022, 6:13 pm

That looks like a ceramic cart with a flip-over stylus. Someone is likely to recognise it.

david freeman · 19th Sep 2022, 8:23 pm

Hi
That cartridge looks like a BSR C1 ceramic.

ben · 19th Sep 2022, 9:14 pm

Yes, that¡s a C1 ceramic and the carrier /slide is the right one.

Judging by the online pics, that looks like what the player would originally have come with. The OP should consider himself very lucky!

13th Sep 2022, 2:48 pm	#1
ianbutton1 Diode Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Halifax, Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 2	Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Hi, I've just joined . . . My Pye Black Box 1022 has a BSR P128 Professional 4-speed turntable but is missing its cartridge. It seems to be a slide-in module that should have 4 sprung tabs to connect to the 4 tabs on the arm. Can anybody tell me what cartridge I should be looking for? Many thanks Ian

13th Sep 2022, 3:04 pm	#2
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,947	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? It sounds as if your P128 has lost its slide-out cartridge carrier. This is a BSR part and you can't fit a cartridge without it. Somebody may have one from a scrap deck - I think the same carrier was used on some other BSR decks, but I'm not a BSR expert.

13th Sep 2022, 3:24 pm	#3
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,846	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Picture of the part you're missing (albeit broken!) here: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...7&d=1658495819

13th Sep 2022, 4:18 pm	#4
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,947	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? This site in the US appears to have them, but they're not cheap - probably cheaper to buy a complete Black Box: https://www.turntableneedles.com/tur...dshells_wiring

13th Sep 2022, 8:44 pm	#5
ianbutton1 Diode Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Halifax, Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 2	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Thank you all very much for the tips. Looking at pictures of Garrard cartridge sleds/holders, I might need a C1. I've uploaded some pics of the holder as attachments here. Attached Thumbnails

14th Sep 2022, 10:13 pm	#6
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? A Garrard type will NOT fit. It has to be a BSR one. __________________ Regards, Ben.

14th Sep 2022, 10:16 pm	#7
nicam49 Hexode Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Wigston, Leicester, UK. Posts: 350	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Is it a BSR or a Garrard deck..there's 3 sleds on that site for a BSR that look similar.

14th Sep 2022, 10:21 pm	#8
jamesperrett Octode Join Date: May 2007 Location: Liss, Hampshire, UK. Posts: 1,873	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? You need a BSR cartridge holder - not a Garrard. I think the same arm was fitted to the MP60, HT70 and the 610. You can see a picture at https://www.thestyluslady.co.uk/bsr-...647-1420-p.asp but it is currently out of stock. Once you have a cartridge holder you can fit a suitable cartridge. I had one of these players many years ago and I thought it used a Goldring G800 moving magnet cartridge but all the pictures that I can find show a ceramic cartridge so I may well have mis-remembered. BSR used the same cut-out for most of their turntables so, if you can't find the cartridge holder for your turntable, you can replace the turntable with another BSR turntable.

15th Sep 2022, 2:09 am	#9
joebog1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Mareeba, North Queensland, Australia Posts: 2,704	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Philips in Australia had a very similar system. Joe Attached Thumbnails

19th Sep 2022, 10:36 am	#10
Big jim Tetrode Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South London, UK. Posts: 86	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Hi I'm sure I have a complete slider with a cartridge no stylus in my workshop somewhere I'll have look this afternoon. Jim

19th Sep 2022, 2:59 pm	#11
Big jim Tetrode Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South London, UK. Posts: 86	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? This is what I've found Attached Thumbnails

19th Sep 2022, 6:13 pm	#12
paulsherwin Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 27,947	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? That looks like a ceramic cart with a flip-over stylus. Someone is likely to recognise it.

19th Sep 2022, 8:23 pm	#13
david freeman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, UK. Posts: 262	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Hi That cartridge looks like a BSR C1 ceramic.

19th Sep 2022, 9:14 pm	#14
ben Dekatron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain / Wirral, UK Posts: 7,498	Re: Pye 1022 turntable - what cartridge? Yes, that¡s a C1 ceramic and the carrier /slide is the right one. Judging by the online pics, that looks like what the player would originally have come with. The OP should consider himself very lucky! __________________ Regards, Ben.