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Old 26th Jan 2020, 11:31 am   #21
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Default Re: Hitachi CNP195.

I do remember something about the restrictions but cannot remember if if was UK regs, PAL license problems or something else. The Hitachi with full PAL decoder was a 19 inch set, one of the larger Japanese models.
Long time ago, surprising, or not how much I have forgotten.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 7:33 pm   #22
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The 1970’s were not a good time for quite a few UK manufacturing industries.
I remember our first colour TV was a brand new 22" Decca Bradford (1974), it was certainly a good British set of it's time, and was reliable for at least the first five years.

After this it did have a few breakdowns though, while our neighbours Sony outlived the Decca by quite a few years, and never needed attention from new!

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I think the reason all the Japanese sets were small screen was because of import restrictions at the time.
I believe that was the case, I think that was the reason for several Japanese company's opening factories in the UK, Panasonic, Sony, Sharp & Tatung are some that come to mind.


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19" was maximum allowed in the country at that time.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 8:41 pm   #24
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What the Japanese were also good at was listening to criticism. The first batches of CNP-190 weren't great picture quality wise, the decoder was based on the smaller 15" CFP-470 and 17" CSP-680 and struggled with the 19" CRT unless the lighting in the room was subdued.

The Hitachi rep when he next called was shown a set sat next to a 20" Murphy CV2011 it's competition at the time and duly noted it's shortcomings. We didn't expect anything to happen but just a few months later a set with a redesigned decoder arrived and the rest was history. Might have just been coincidence but I would like to think the small dealer I worked for at the time had some effect.

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Old 28th Jan 2020, 8:50 am   #25
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I believe Slidertogrid is correct, it was due to import controls, at the time it was perceived there was no market for small screen colour sets and this was a good way of protecting UK manufacturers.....Got that one wrong !
Is this the Hitachi Model that had a stand by mode were a low voltage was permanently supplied to the CRT Heaters to provide a almost instant pic on switch on ?
The last time I looked at one in anger, must be nearly 30 years ago, poor convergence and flat CRT if I remember correctly.
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Yes that's right Ken, mains switch on the side. Luckily I've got a good tube, one thing that i was worried about with that set up.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 9:06 am   #27
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Did the 192 use that type of circuit? I owned a 192 but can’t remember.
I advised customers to always turn it off completely on the 190.
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Weird switch off coloured 'rose' effect if I remember correctly. J.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 2:39 pm   #29
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That's right John, I must record it when I do a video of the convergence on it.
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Yes I remember that also, I think it was because degassing was actioned at switch off rather than switch on so as not to spoil the instant on picture?
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...That reminded my of where my Hitachi ex-rental sets came from. A place in Sloper road Cardiff. In the early 1980s they had huge rows of these and Nat Pan 85Gs stacked on their end three or four high...
That'd be Centrevision. The shop where I part timed, used them a lot. I still have a price list somewhere.

Those channel selectors on the Hitachi were a bit of a pain - indeed the ones on mine are very intermittent causing flashing and drift. Temporarily replaced by a potentiometer. Anyone got a new old stock four button unit knocking about?

Here's a pic of mine taken over a year ago. Now that's scary. I thought it was few months ago
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And specification.
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Thanks for posting Geoff.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 5:27 pm   #35
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The CNP192 TV, it has reduced vertical scan, the only fault in over 45 years. Similar to the CNP195 of the subject line.
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Default Re: Hitachi CNP195.

It's not surprising that these gained a good reputation when you consider a 17" Thorn 8000 was a few pence under £200 at the same time. Worth the extra £20 for the Hitachi I'd say!
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£200 in 1973 equates to £2437.Today if the Bank of England inflation calculator is correct.. That extra £20 would be an extra £243. in today's money! No wonder rental was so popular!
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It's not surprising that these gained a good reputation when you consider a 17" Thorn 8000 was a few pence under £200 at the same time. Worth the extra £20 for the Hitachi I'd say!
I thought the 17” Thorn 8000 sets were around £180 when first sold...? I was working in a TV dealership at the time.
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It's interesting to see that a few forum members have these sets, a testament to their quality. Couldn't imagine there are as many 8000's still, least of all never having had the back off.
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I agree, a lot of 8000 sets were looking a bit cooked with tubes past their best by the early 1980s. My mate Mick has one in his collection but I don't know what it's like though.
The 8500 was much better. I have two in my collection one of which has been family owned from new. I can't say it's never had the back off though...
At least when the 8000s were fairly new they gave reasonable pictures. Other 18" sets were not as good. Pye CT200 ? The one with the picture size control on the front labelled "Brightness"
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