Unrecognisable Cartridge - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

Bookman · 23rd Oct 2017, 2:21 pm

Dear Forum Members,

Does anyone recognise the cartridge pictured hereof. There are no markings other than that pictured. Furthermore there is no evidence of any other label that may have previously been stuck on that would provide some form of identification.
Apologies in advance for being a bit thick on such issues

http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/a...1&d=1508764790

peter_sol · 23rd Oct 2017, 8:26 pm

I think it is a Goldring G800

Audio1950 · 23rd Oct 2017, 8:48 pm

I agree - Goldring G800.

Bookman · 23rd Oct 2017, 9:18 pm

Thanks Guys.
Not wanting to sound patronising but this forum always astounds me with its knowledge base.

ms660 · 23rd Oct 2017, 9:38 pm

My eyes must be going funny.

Lawrence.

teetoon · 23rd Oct 2017, 9:54 pm

Hey sorry to disagree, but that is not a Goldring G800.
See images.

David.

Ted Kendall · 23rd Oct 2017, 10:18 pm

More likely a Sonotone V100.

ms660 · 23rd Oct 2017, 10:20 pm

http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/ind...?topic=22873.0

The shape of which....looks very similar to the Osawa OS301:

https://www.thakker.eu/en/pickup/osa...tridge/a-5147/

Lawrence.

Audio1950 · 23rd Oct 2017, 10:30 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by teetoon

Hey sorry to disagree, but that is not a Goldring G800.

Don't be sorry, I'm always happy to be corrected when I'm wrong, as I was in this case!

Barry

teetoon · 23rd Oct 2017, 10:36 pm

Hi Barry, thanks for that!
Lawrence has found the ID of this cart for sure. Good work.
David.

Bookman · 24th Oct 2017, 9:52 am

Thanks David,
Actually, a bit closer and you could have hollered out the window?
Regards
Joe

Bookman · 30th Oct 2017, 5:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ms660

http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/ind...?topic=22873.0

The shape of which....looks very similar to the Osawa OS301:

https://www.thakker.eu/en/pickup/osa...tridge/a-5147/

Lawrence.

Hi Lawrence,
Have just been able to source an instruction book within which the cartridge is shown as a SN-37. Does this support your earlier assessment.
Thanks
Joe
http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/a...1&d=1509380849

ms660 · 30th Oct 2017, 5:32 pm

It looks similar that's all I can say, I've never had any experience with them.

Lawrence.

Bookman · 30th Oct 2017, 7:30 pm

Thought I'd check as these darn things use a £30.00 stylus. I may not live in Yorkshire but was born there, ergo by looking after the pennies the pounds will look after themselves.
Thanks
Joe

greg_simons · 30th Oct 2017, 9:35 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by teetoon

Hey sorry to disagree, but that is not a Goldring G800.
See images.

David.

Agree, as a one time owner I can definitely say it's a g800.
greg.

julie_m · 30th Oct 2017, 10:02 pm

If just a new stylus is going to set you back £30, then unless you know for sure that the cartridge is really good you might as well buy yourself an Audio Technica AT-91, or even one of the magnetic version of the generic "red stylus" cartridges (as fitted to some of the less-dreadful USB turntables).

Tom_I · 30th Oct 2017, 10:50 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg_simons

Quote:

Originally Posted by teetoon

Hey sorry to disagree, but that is not a Goldring G800.
See images.

David.

Agree, as a one time owner I can definitely say it's a g800.
greg.

I'm confused. This post contradicts itself. Is it a G800 or not?

ms660 · 30th Oct 2017, 10:53 pm

I can't remember what the G800 looked like in the flesh but non of the g800's on Google images are like the OP's cartridge, nothing like it at all.

EDIT: Post crossed.

Lawrence.

Ted Kendall · 31st Oct 2017, 8:54 am

It certainly isn't a G800 - I think Tenorel 2001 is proven. Whether it's worth £30 to you for a tip is debatable - it was introduced by Condor in the UK as a "me too" budget magnetic, and was broadly comparable to the G800 in performance. Might be worth checking the coils for continuity before you jump...

Bookman · 31st Oct 2017, 4:45 pm

I concur that it is most definitely not a G800; the following refers:-

My GL78 deck G800 coil resistance is circa 600ohms.
Mystery cartridge coil resistance is circa 1000ohms

The stylus rectangular insert is larger on the G800 and will not fit into the mystery cartridge.

The G800 magnet seems marginally larger at 4.5mm compared to 4mm for the mystery item although I could be wrong.

Incidentally will the output Volts on the mystery unit be greater than the G800 and if so would it be by a factor of 10 divide by 6?

23rd Oct 2017, 2:21 pm	#1
Bookman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Taunton, Somerset, UK. Posts: 318	Unrecognisable Cartridge Dear Forum Members, Does anyone recognise the cartridge pictured hereof. There are no markings other than that pictured. Furthermore there is no evidence of any other label that may have previously been stuck on that would provide some form of identification. Apologies in advance for being a bit thick on such issues http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/a...1&d=1508764790 Attached Thumbnails

23rd Oct 2017, 8:26 pm	#2
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge I think it is a Goldring G800

23rd Oct 2017, 8:48 pm	#3
Audio1950 Dekatron Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Whittlesey, near Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, UK. Posts: 3,761	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge I agree - Goldring G800.

23rd Oct 2017, 9:18 pm	#4
Bookman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Taunton, Somerset, UK. Posts: 318	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge Thanks Guys. Not wanting to sound patronising but this forum always astounds me with its knowledge base.

23rd Oct 2017, 9:38 pm	#5
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 13,454	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge My eyes must be going funny. Lawrence.

23rd Oct 2017, 9:54 pm	#6
teetoon Heptode Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Barnstaple, N.Devon, UK. Posts: 557	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge Hey sorry to disagree, but that is not a Goldring G800. See images. David. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by teetoon; 23rd Oct 2017 at 10:18 pm.

23rd Oct 2017, 10:18 pm	#7
Ted Kendall Dekatron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kington, Herefordshire, UK. Posts: 3,671	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge More likely a Sonotone V100.

23rd Oct 2017, 10:20 pm	#8
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 13,454	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/ind...?topic=22873.0 The shape of which....looks very similar to the Osawa OS301: https://www.thakker.eu/en/pickup/osa...tridge/a-5147/ Lawrence.

23rd Oct 2017, 10:36 pm	#10
teetoon Heptode Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Barnstaple, N.Devon, UK. Posts: 557	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge Hi Barry, thanks for that! Lawrence has found the ID of this cart for sure. Good work. David.

24th Oct 2017, 9:52 am	#11
Bookman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Taunton, Somerset, UK. Posts: 318	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge Thanks David, Actually, a bit closer and you could have hollered out the window? Regards Joe

30th Oct 2017, 5:32 pm	#13
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 13,454	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge It looks similar that's all I can say, I've never had any experience with them. Lawrence.

30th Oct 2017, 7:30 pm	#14
Bookman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Taunton, Somerset, UK. Posts: 318	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge Thought I'd check as these darn things use a £30.00 stylus. I may not live in Yorkshire but was born there, ergo by looking after the pennies the pounds will look after themselves. Thanks Joe

30th Oct 2017, 10:02 pm	#16
julie_m Dekatron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Derby, UK. Posts: 7,735	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge If just a new stylus is going to set you back £30, then unless you know for sure that the cartridge is really good you might as well buy yourself an Audio Technica AT-91, or even one of the magnetic version of the generic "red stylus" cartridges (as fitted to some of the less-dreadful USB turntables). __________________ If I have seen further than others, it is because I was standing on a pile of failed experiments.

30th Oct 2017, 10:53 pm	#18
ms660 Dekatron Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall, UK. Posts: 13,454	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge I can't remember what the G800 looked like in the flesh but non of the g800's on Google images are like the OP's cartridge, nothing like it at all. EDIT: Post crossed. Lawrence.

31st Oct 2017, 8:54 am	#19
Ted Kendall Dekatron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kington, Herefordshire, UK. Posts: 3,671	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge It certainly isn't a G800 - I think Tenorel 2001 is proven. Whether it's worth £30 to you for a tip is debatable - it was introduced by Condor in the UK as a "me too" budget magnetic, and was broadly comparable to the G800 in performance. Might be worth checking the coils for continuity before you jump...

31st Oct 2017, 4:45 pm	#20
Bookman Hexode Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Taunton, Somerset, UK. Posts: 318	Re: Unrecognisable Cartridge I concur that it is most definitely not a G800; the following refers:- My GL78 deck G800 coil resistance is circa 600ohms. Mystery cartridge coil resistance is circa 1000ohms The stylus rectangular insert is larger on the G800 and will not fit into the mystery cartridge. The G800 magnet seems marginally larger at 4.5mm compared to 4mm for the mystery item although I could be wrong. Incidentally will the output Volts on the mystery unit be greater than the G800 and if so would it be by a factor of 10 divide by 6?