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Dekatron
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A ceramic capacitor will be fine in the C4 position. There are circuits where ceramic capacitors are preferrable to polyfilm, but this isn't one of them.
Now, if C3 (50µF; 47 will be fine as a replacement, anything between 10 and 22µF will do for testing, just take care with the polarity) were faulty, that would cause a loss of gain, while all DC voltages appeared beyond reproach.
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Nonode
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Could the OP tell us what is meant by "dead"? How did he measure C4, and what resistance readings (if any) did he get (see posts 132 and 134)?
Mike Last edited by Boulevardier; 17th Oct 2025 at 2:22 pm. |
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Tetrode
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Dead as in open circuit on the meter Mike.
I've dropped in an electrolytic as that was all I had of that value. I have sound through the speaker but it is still very low volume, but at least progress. |
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A capacitor will read open-circuit on a resistance meter, unless it is faulty (and NB, not all capacitor faults will cause it to have a finite resistance, so open-circuit doesn't necessarily mean it's not faulty).
The C4 position should not need to be an electrolytic capacitor, as it will be a low value (100nF?). What value did you use?
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A 0.1µF capacitor is very unlikely to be electrolytic -- non-electrolytic capacitors are readily available up to at least 1µF. Can you post a picture of it, please?
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A little fuzzy but I think you can make it out.
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Well, it looks like 0.1µF -- and yet it looks like an electrolytic!
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Has it got any markings to distinguish positive from negative leads?
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Yes, surprising they make them in that small value. I saw these on the CPC website Today when ordering some parts though.
https://cpc.farnell.com/multicomp-pro/mcmhr50v104m4x7/capacitor-0-1uf-50v-radial-105/dp/CA08233 |
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#152 |
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As a side question, it looks like someone in the past has soldered an extension to the headshell wiring. Is this acceptable?
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The joint is covered with heat shrink sleeve so wouldn't show anything.
I only know that wires have been joined because the wire colour used doesn't match. |
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Quote:
Could be crucial. You'll need to cut off the heatshrink by slicing it along length with a sharp blade and then peeling away. |
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In what way crucial, Mike?
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What is the original value of C4? You say you've used a 0.1uF (which seems a bit low) which is all you had.
Too low a value will likely cause low sound.
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The service sheet shows C4 as being 0.1uF. I think we've been round this loop a few times now.
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OK, it will be an ordinary capacitor...I wouldn't use an electrolytic here even if you do have such a thing at 0.1uF. There is no real polarising voltage available so just an ordinary Mylar or polystyrene type will be fine.
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