Goodmans One-Ten receiver - UK Vintage Radio Repair and Restoration Discussion Forum

MarcoBerti · 5th Oct 2009, 8:22 am

Hello
just found one of these British receivers with Scandinavian looks. It's not easy to find one of them in Italy.
Unfortunately, there are some faults - one output stage and the stereo decoder as far as I was able to detect.
I already know it's not easy, but in case anyone has got a schematics for it, it would be very useful...
Thanks in advance

Marco

Nickthedentist · 5th Oct 2009, 8:24 am

Hi Marco,

I definitely have one somewhere, but it might be a few weeks before I have time to find it.

Someone here will probably beat me to it.

Nick.

jimmc101 · 5th Oct 2009, 8:41 pm

Service manual as requested.

Mine is still going strong, bought second hand in 1973.
It was the demonstration model from the Goodmans factory, unusual in having a teak case with a black fascia.

Jim

peter_sol · 6th Oct 2009, 3:53 pm

I think that was made by Thorn (Ferguson)

Nickthedentist · 6th Oct 2009, 4:11 pm

That's interesting, Peter. Why?

Nick.

MarcoBerti · 7th Oct 2009, 7:57 am

Thank you Very Much, dear friends !
I was so busy at work yesterday I didn't have time to visit this forum...
All the best

Marco

roffe · 8th Oct 2009, 9:27 pm

I agree with Peter and here's why:
If you look at these you'll easily see the resemblance between a Ferguson and a Goodmans.
http://www.retro-audio.ru/images/Ferguson-3481-6.jpg
http://www.juliandyer.net/a14/moduleninety.php
Furthermore the schematics are so alike that there's no question about it.Yes,there are different IF's and stereo decoders(due to technical advances I'm sure),but the HF and output stages are almost the same on the whole series of Ferguson(3481,3482,3483 and so on)and the Goodmans Module 80 and 90 and the One-Ten.

Nickthedentist · 9th Oct 2009, 8:47 am

That's very interesting.

At the time, Goodmans was still a name associated with good-quality hifi equipment (these receivers were also available with built-in Goldring turntables with magnetic cartridges, for example), whereas Ferguson mainly made cheaper all-in-one equipment, invariably with a BSR autochanger and plasticy one-way speakers.

I once bought a Goodmans Module 80 (with Goldring GL75) at a jumble sale, with a pair of "BRC" speakers. I'd always assumed that the speakers were just "thrown in" by the man runnng the sale just to get rid of them, rather than actually supplied as part of the original system, but I now realise I might have been wrong. [BRC = British Radio Corporation, the owners of the Ferguson brand in the early 1970s].

Nick.

jimmc101 · 9th Oct 2009, 11:28 am

According to Alan Stepney's site http://www.alanstepney.info/radio.html
Goodmans Loudspeakers Limited was part of the Radio Relay group which didn't merge with Torn until 1986.

This ties in with the 1963 catalogue here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rififi/G...963-page20.jpg showing them as
'A Member of the Relay Exchanges Group' (and still at Wembley)

In the 70s I worked at Plessey at Westleigh which was close to the Downley Road site, and I can't remember any Thorn branding anywhere on the factory. With my memory this doesn't prove much.

I wonder if there is some confusion between 'Goodmans Loudspeakers Limited', and 'Goodmans Limited' which were separate firms.

The firm eventually folded in 2004. http://www.portland-solutions.co.uk/...wsReleaseID=18

Jim

mvv1416 · 9th Oct 2009, 4:34 pm

Jim, thank you very much for SM !!!
Has anybody photo of One Ten inside

I'm trying to restore the original state of reciever after amateur hands.

Respect to All.
Vick.

chriswood1900 · 9th Oct 2009, 7:35 pm

I was the proud owner of a Goodmans 110 around 1974 and as a fiddler I had to have the lid off and tweak. I always remember the construction being very much like Ferguson/Thorn Tvs at the time with a lot of machine inserted components resistors and lockfit transistors. I have a memory that it was a Thorn product. I have just fished out my 1974 HiFi yearbook and on page 368 the Goodmans advert has a Thorn Group Logo in the bottom RH corner.
I think that confirms it was a Thorn product.
Regards Chris

chriswartburg · 11th Oct 2009, 6:36 pm

Marco

A positive review of the Goodmans 110 can be found at www.gramaphone.net in the December 72 on line edition page 191 onwards.

I still have a teak and silver version awaiting attention to a mains hum

Well worth restoring.

Chris

MarcoBerti · 11th Oct 2009, 9:59 pm

Excuse me Chris: I suppose you mean gramophone.net ... even after registering, I can only see the cover of the december 1972 issue...
Thank you

Marco

MarcoBerti · 11th Oct 2009, 10:17 pm

Yes ! Found that article. Thanks

Marco

jimmc101 · 11th Oct 2009, 10:24 pm

Hi Marco try this direct link

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...72/191/732911/

Jim

Too slow yet again!

jimmc101 · 11th Oct 2009, 11:18 pm

Leaflet form 1971

Lovely colour.

Jim

MarcoBerti · 12th Oct 2009, 5:07 pm

Well, since it was released in 1971, we can try to list the main competitors on the EU market at that time:

- B&O Beomaster 3000 (most obvious competitor)
- Philips 22RH790 (feather touch controls, very good sound)
- Grundig RTV 650 (less powerful, the best RF section)
- Sansui 1000X (classic, elegant, 30-35 WPC)
- Sony STR-6055 (so beautiful, great sound)
- Telefunken Concerto (cheaper but very good)

Do you see other (popular) competitors ?
Cheers

Marco

chriswartburg · 12th Oct 2009, 6:43 pm

Just to complete the set some details of the Goodmans module 90 and 150 receivers I have found on the web.

Chris

Nickthedentist · 12th Oct 2009, 8:11 pm

Thanks Chris, I'd never even heard of the 150.

The Module 80 I referred to above was just like the one pictured, except deeper and with a Goldring GL75 built into its top, and a smoked Perspex lid with wooden end cheeks. Very good performer, but like all UK equipment of this vintage, the switches were dicey and the screen printing started to get tatty. Cost me £2 (c/w speakers) at the Scouts jumble, those were the days!

Nick.

chriswartburg · 14th Oct 2009, 11:26 am

Nick

A few more pictures of the Goodmans 150.
It's claimed they were used by the BBC to monitor the quality of transmissions.
Can anyone confirm this?
Does anyone have any more details, specs etc?

Chris

5th Oct 2009, 8:22 am	#1
MarcoBerti Tetrode Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 62	Goodmans One-Ten receiver Hello just found one of these British receivers with Scandinavian looks. It's not easy to find one of them in Italy. Unfortunately, there are some faults - one output stage and the stereo decoder as far as I was able to detect. I already know it's not easy, but in case anyone has got a schematics for it, it would be very useful... Thanks in advance Marco

5th Oct 2009, 8:24 am	#2
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,861	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Hi Marco, I definitely have one somewhere, but it might be a few weeks before I have time to find it. Someone here will probably beat me to it. Nick.

6th Oct 2009, 3:53 pm	#4
peter_sol Octode Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Welwyn Garden City, Herts. UK. Posts: 1,906	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver I think that was made by Thorn (Ferguson)

6th Oct 2009, 4:11 pm	#5
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,861	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver That's interesting, Peter. Why? Nick.

7th Oct 2009, 7:57 am	#6
MarcoBerti Tetrode Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 62	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Thank you Very Much, dear friends ! I was so busy at work yesterday I didn't have time to visit this forum... All the best Marco

8th Oct 2009, 9:27 pm	#7
roffe Hexode Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Linkoping, Sweden Posts: 493	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver I agree with Peter and here's why: If you look at these you'll easily see the resemblance between a Ferguson and a Goodmans. http://www.retro-audio.ru/images/Ferguson-3481-6.jpg http://www.juliandyer.net/a14/moduleninety.php Furthermore the schematics are so alike that there's no question about it.Yes,there are different IF's and stereo decoders(due to technical advances I'm sure),but the HF and output stages are almost the same on the whole series of Ferguson(3481,3482,3483 and so on)and the Goodmans Module 80 and 90 and the One-Ten.

9th Oct 2009, 8:47 am	#8
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,861	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver That's very interesting. At the time, Goodmans was still a name associated with good-quality hifi equipment (these receivers were also available with built-in Goldring turntables with magnetic cartridges, for example), whereas Ferguson mainly made cheaper all-in-one equipment, invariably with a BSR autochanger and plasticy one-way speakers. I once bought a Goodmans Module 80 (with Goldring GL75) at a jumble sale, with a pair of "BRC" speakers. I'd always assumed that the speakers were just "thrown in" by the man runnng the sale just to get rid of them, rather than actually supplied as part of the original system, but I now realise I might have been wrong. [BRC = British Radio Corporation, the owners of the Ferguson brand in the early 1970s]. Nick.

9th Oct 2009, 11:28 am	#9
jimmc101 Heptode Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Hampshire, UK. Posts: 674	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver According to Alan Stepney's site http://www.alanstepney.info/radio.html Goodmans Loudspeakers Limited was part of the Radio Relay group which didn't merge with Torn until 1986. This ties in with the 1963 catalogue here http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rififi/G...963-page20.jpg showing them as 'A Member of the Relay Exchanges Group' (and still at Wembley) In the 70s I worked at Plessey at Westleigh which was close to the Downley Road site, and I can't remember any Thorn branding anywhere on the factory. With my memory this doesn't prove much. I wonder if there is some confusion between 'Goodmans Loudspeakers Limited', and 'Goodmans Limited' which were separate firms. The firm eventually folded in 2004. http://www.portland-solutions.co.uk/...wsReleaseID=18 Jim

9th Oct 2009, 4:34 pm	#10
mvv1416 Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moscow, Russia. Posts: 2	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Jim, thank you very much for SM !!! Has anybody photo of One Ten inside I'm trying to restore the original state of reciever after amateur hands. Respect to All. Vick.

9th Oct 2009, 7:35 pm	#11
chriswood1900 Octode Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dorridge, West Midlands, UK. Posts: 1,486	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver I was the proud owner of a Goodmans 110 around 1974 and as a fiddler I had to have the lid off and tweak. I always remember the construction being very much like Ferguson/Thorn Tvs at the time with a lot of machine inserted components resistors and lockfit transistors. I have a memory that it was a Thorn product. I have just fished out my 1974 HiFi yearbook and on page 368 the Goodmans advert has a Thorn Group Logo in the bottom RH corner. I think that confirms it was a Thorn product. Regards Chris

11th Oct 2009, 6:36 pm	#12
chriswartburg Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southampton Posts: 9	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Marco A positive review of the Goodmans 110 can be found at www.gramaphone.net in the December 72 on line edition page 191 onwards. I still have a teak and silver version awaiting attention to a mains hum Well worth restoring. Chris

11th Oct 2009, 9:59 pm	#13
MarcoBerti Tetrode Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 62	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Excuse me Chris: I suppose you mean gramophone.net ... even after registering, I can only see the cover of the december 1972 issue... Thank you Marco

11th Oct 2009, 10:17 pm	#14
MarcoBerti Tetrode Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 62	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Yes ! Found that article. Thanks Marco

11th Oct 2009, 10:24 pm	#15
jimmc101 Heptode Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Hampshire, UK. Posts: 674	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Hi Marco try this direct link http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...72/191/732911/ Jim Too slow yet again! Last edited by jimmc101; 11th Oct 2009 at 10:25 pm. Reason: Last line added

12th Oct 2009, 5:07 pm	#17
MarcoBerti Tetrode Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 62	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Well, since it was released in 1971, we can try to list the main competitors on the EU market at that time: - B&O Beomaster 3000 (most obvious competitor) - Philips 22RH790 (feather touch controls, very good sound) - Grundig RTV 650 (less powerful, the best RF section) - Sansui 1000X (classic, elegant, 30-35 WPC) - Sony STR-6055 (so beautiful, great sound) - Telefunken Concerto (cheaper but very good) Do you see other (popular) competitors ? Cheers Marco

12th Oct 2009, 8:11 pm	#19
Nickthedentist Dekatron Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oxford, UK. Posts: 17,861	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Thanks Chris, I'd never even heard of the 150. The Module 80 I referred to above was just like the one pictured, except deeper and with a Goldring GL75 built into its top, and a smoked Perspex lid with wooden end cheeks. Very good performer, but like all UK equipment of this vintage, the switches were dicey and the screen printing started to get tatty. Cost me £2 (c/w speakers) at the Scouts jumble, those were the days! Nick.

14th Oct 2009, 11:26 am	#20
chriswartburg Retired Dormant Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southampton Posts: 9	Re: Goodmans One-Ten receiver Nick A few more pictures of the Goodmans 150. It's claimed they were used by the BBC to monitor the quality of transmissions. Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone have any more details, specs etc? Chris Attached Thumbnails