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Old 11th Apr 2021, 7:45 am   #21
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If it's not a massive difference, could one motor be synchronous and the other a squirrel-cage induction motor (which has to run below synchronous speed)?
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 3:09 pm   #22
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These are pictures of the motors.

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These are of the original motor.
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Old 11th Apr 2021, 3:56 pm   #23
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So my theory gets tossed in the Thames as both the motors are 4 pole, so should turn at identical rpm.

The only suggestion that I can offer now is to connect the replacement motor directly at the wall socket. I have read reply #6 but that did not mention where the "direct to mains" point is, inside the gram cabinet or on the wall.
This is the only suggestion that I have at the moment as it would confirm if there is any issue with the replacement motor or the supply point in the gram.

Edit : What is the voltage rating stamped on the bottom bearing of the replacement motor? Dual voltage or single voltage?

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Thanks Anwesh, the motor is stamped 110 200-250V, 40 - 80 Hz he original motor is also dual voltage. I may try another type later tonight.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 11:08 pm   #25
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Garrad motors from the later period ran synchronous by virtue of the fact that they were fitted with a ceramic circular magnet on the rotor . when the motor was required to do some work it then relied on the caged roter
This being the case the stepped pulley would be of a different diameter to the earlier
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Garrad motors from the later period ran synchronous by virtue of the fact that they were fitted with a ceramic circular magnet on the rotor . when the motor was required to do some work it then relied on the caged roter
This being the case the stepped pulley would be of a different diameter to the earlier
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That is the Synchro-Labâ„¢ motor which came much later and was seen on the SL, AP series automatic turntables.
The original and the replacement motor tried here are pre 1960 pure induction motors.

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Hi, I've not looked back to check... but wasn't there a thread in the not too distant past where the 2 motor windings were connected out of phase so the mag field wasn't of sufficient strength..... ��
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 9:55 am   #28
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Hi,
I have a Garrard RC80 autochanger.
The motor would run fine from cold, but then it began buzzing and getting hot after a time.
I found that one of the coils was going dead short when it warmed up.
Fortunately, I was able to strip it down and send the two coils off to Ed Dinning to be rewound. He did a splendid job, and it runs lovely now.
Thanks Ed!
Cheers, Pete.
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Hi Pete, thanks for the praise. In the particular motor being discussed here the coils had been wound on a jig and the fitted to the motor stack, sdo without trying to make a jig it was a no-no

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Hi, I've not looked back to check... but wasn't there a thread in the not too distant past where the 2 motor windings were connected out of phase so the mag field wasn't of sufficient strength..... ��

You were right. I reversed the connections to one of the coils and it started working perfectly.


Now to the next horrible one a Beogram 1000.
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