Thorens TD160B mk2 (OK, deck, not player) - the tail end of the arm counterbalance fouls the transparent lid towards the end of a side, if the lid is down. The fact I (wincingly) know this suggests that after all, I am on the side of the Ladies, and had assumed 'lid always down' up to this point. I also agree with them it is better not to p*** all over it
