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mole42uk 30th Jul 2019 7:17 pm

Drawing circular log scales?
 
I need to make a circular log scale to replace the missing one on a signal generator but I canít find any way of generating a software based version.

Is there something Iíve missed? Can anyone help?

ionburn 30th Jul 2019 10:56 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
I am not aware of software, but have not needed or looked. It is something which may be not too difficult to do by hand. You only really need the length of circle perimeter (or length of the scale if not full circle) then calculate a normal straight log scale to fit that length. Then transfer over. I can see it would be tedious but with the right tools, practical.

Hopefully someone will have done this and know the tricks (or better still - software).

One other option would be if someone were able to take an accurate photograph of such a scale from identical model.

Terry_VK5TM 31st Jul 2019 5:09 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
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Something like this?

Done with Abacom's Front Designer, all customisable.

Change text, rotation, line lengths etc within the program.

kalee20 31st Jul 2019 8:19 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Hmmm... Can't have '0' on a log scale!

mole42uk 31st Jul 2019 9:48 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
That's right. The one I have is a photocopy of an original, it reads from 10 to 100 over an arc of 290į on a diameter of 4.25" (108mm).

I want to produce a drawing so that I can send it off to have one made in etched aluminium.

Terry_VK5TM 31st Jul 2019 11:44 am

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Removed the 0 and changed it to 290deg scale.

mole42uk 31st Jul 2019 12:02 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Thank you! Please could you change it so the marks are on the inside of the arc and reverse it so that 10 is where 100 is? That would be an excellent solution!!

kalee20 31st Jul 2019 12:12 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry_VK5TM (Post 1164912)
Removed the 0 and changed it to 290deg scale.

I've just crudely put a ruler on my monitor face and measure chord lengths: 10-20; 12-24; 20-40; 30-60; 40-80; 50-100 all measure 72mm. so the angles are the same, exactly what would be the case for a log scale!

I like it :)

Herald1360 31st Jul 2019 1:20 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kalee20 (Post 1164843)
Hmmm... Can't have '0' on a log scale!

In principle, that's correct. A real life pot will jump to zero at the end of the track, though.....

Terry_VK5TM 1st Aug 2019 4:17 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mole42uk (Post 1164922)
Thank you! Please could you change it so the marks are on the inside of the arc and reverse it so that 10 is where 100 is? That would be an excellent solution!!

Household chores to finish today so I'll change it around tomorrow for you.

Do you want the arc to remain where it is and the division marks come in from there

Or

Move the arc to the outside of the division marks as they currently are?

And do you want the lines slightly thicker?

Terry_VK5TM 1st Aug 2019 6:02 am

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So much for the household chores, started raining and of course it was outside chores.

Attached as first pass depending on which way round you want the changes.

Also attached as a pdf as that is nicer than the jpg's.

mole42uk 1st Aug 2019 3:01 pm

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Hi Terry, thank you, it's looking almost right!
I attach a photo of the dial I'm trying to duplicate, I don't know why I didn't do this before....

Alf 1st Aug 2019 3:44 pm

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You might want to have a play with meterscales, I can't offer any help with the program.

mole42uk 1st Aug 2019 5:46 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Thank you, unfortunately I don't have a Windows computer....

Terry_VK5TM 2nd Aug 2019 1:41 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Picture was a good idea.

I'll have a play a little later and see how close I can get it.

Are you able to measure the distance between the end of the division mark and the number and the lengths of the marks?

Radio Wrangler 2nd Aug 2019 3:00 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
There are ways round operating system issues.

This Mac has Oracle Virtual Box installed. This creates a number of virtual machines and I can load any operating system I want on each machine. so I got a legit copy of XP. I can open a window on the Mac OSX screen with XP running in that window, and run windows software on it.

David

Terry_VK5TM 2nd Aug 2019 11:13 am

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This is about as close as i can get it from the picture.

Let me know if it needs any tweaks.

mole42uk 2nd Aug 2019 11:37 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Hi Terry, that is fabulous! Thank you, I'll be able to finish rebuilding the signal generator...

mole42uk 2nd Aug 2019 11:39 am

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Radio Wrangler (Post 1165409)
There are ways round operating system issues.

This Mac has Oracle Virtual Box installed. This creates a number of virtual machines and I can load any operating system I want on each machine. so I got a legit copy of XP. I can open a window on the Mac OSX screen with XP running in that window, and run windows software on it.

David

Hi David,
I have run Virtual Box on the Mac but I don't have a currently licensed version of any Windows system.

julie_m 2nd Aug 2019 3:02 pm

Re: Drawing circular log scales?
 
If you know how to write PostScript, it would take about a screenful of code to produce a scale like that!

If you are running any Unix-like system (i.e., Mac or Linux) then you probably already have GhostScript installed, which is a suite of programs for working with PostScript files including displaying them and converting them to other formats.


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