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Tom williams 12th May 2019 6:06 pm

Any other plug collectors out there?
 
Hello there,
I was just wondering if anyone out there is or knows of anyone who is a plug collector, this is because i am one and just wanted to see if there were any others, i am already aware of people such as boombox deluxe.
Any replies are well apreciated.

Tractorfan 12th May 2019 8:13 pm

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Hi,
I wouldn't consider myself a 'collector' as such, but plugs & sockets have always fascinated me since childhood.(A Freudian thing, perhaps?)
I have a lot of them that came to France with me; 15, 13, 5 and 2 amps. Three pin and two pin, plus several Wylex and DS types.
Cheers, Pete.

Julesomega 12th May 2019 8:35 pm

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Not a collector, but I just happen to have a few.
Do you need one like this? This fella needs a mate :D

Richard_FM 12th May 2019 8:39 pm

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I have a habit of taking old plugs off new editions to my collection if they don't have insulated pins, which also allows me to make sure they are wired up properly & have the correct fuses. I've only only once found anything untoward, & that was just a loose screw on a pin.

Before I started doing that I managed to get a few plugs from my parents house, probably when everything started to come with a fitted plug & my Dad's stash of spare plugs was no longer needed.

I'll have to upload a more up to date picture of them, I've only got a picture of the first few at the moment.

Tom williams 12th May 2019 8:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Tractorfan (Post 1144799)
I wouldn't consider myself a 'collector' as such, but plugs & sockets have always fascinated me since childhood.(A Freudian thing, perhaps?)
I have a lot of them that came to France with me; 15, 13, 5 and 2 amps. Three pin and two pin, plus several Wylex and DS types.

Nice collection far bigger than mine!

My collection, although small, includes BS 1363 (sleeved and unsleeved pin), BS 546(5 amp only at the mo) and finally, a bayonet light plug
Here is my collection:

G6Tanuki 12th May 2019 9:40 pm

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I'm not a plug "collector" as such but am always fascinated by the unusual, like the low-profile "Legrand/BICC" types and the pastel-blue 'Rock' plug I mentioned on this forum a while back.

And the range of unusual coaxial connectors always fascinates me - WWII-era Pye-plugs, strange Western-Electric and General-Radio "Hermaphrodite" types used on test-gear and early multiplexed phone-circuits, and MUSA connectors.... or the little-documented "Pattern 12" UK connector that was used in the 1950s in a bunch of RACAL gear.

emeritus 12th May 2019 10:06 pm

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If you enter "unusual plug" in the search box for this web site, you will find at least one closed thread about old plugs. While not a collector, I have accumulated a few old/odd ones: wooden BC adaptors and 2-pin plugs, a SBC adaptor in black Bakelite, a BC plug with an earth connection (which thanks to this forum I now know is of faulty manufacture and incomplete), and a brass BC lampholder for pins at 45 degrees to the contacts for example.

rambo1152 12th May 2019 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Julesomega (Post 1144803)
Not a collector, but I just happen to have a few.
Do you need one like this? This fella needs a mate

Those Electrak plugs have been around since the mid 1980s , and there are at least three types that look similar but don't fit each others socket. I have examples of two types.

As I recall, when they came out there was a suggestion in the press that they might replace the BS1363 plug, but I can't find eny evidence to back that up.

I do know of one building that was rewired exclusively using Electrack wall sockets, it was on the Granada TV site in Manchester, it wasn't a technical building, more offices and conference areas.

It was a total fail!

Nobody put Electrak plugs on their equipment. Instead, what happened is the site electricians made up hundreds of short cables with an Electrak plug at one end and a BS1363 socket at the other.

Tesco Morrison's and Asda have used them for EPOS and other IT equipment, Morrison's using a different type to the other two.

Richard_FM 12th May 2019 10:45 pm

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I've seen somewhere online a Electrak with Sainsbury's badging, probably for tills & other in-store equipment.

A few places open to the public seem to use non-standard electrical connections, especially if there's a specialist supply someone otherwise might try to connect to.

The London Underground use Walsall connections for maintenance equipment that needs a 110v balanced supply.

Julesomega 13th May 2019 12:20 am

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What's a Walsall plug or socket? I had to search the forums, and here's just a few threads about different mains plugs:
Walsall cooker wall switch with kettle plug
Strange plugs & sockets at Lewis's Liverpool
Fitall plug bin it sell it save it

Refugee 13th May 2019 1:11 am

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There is also sockets to collect too.
Brown BS1362 are not all that common.
Those small footprint sockets were not around for long either.
I found a big load of sockets just after I had ordered some on line but bought them anyway as you do.

petertheorgan 13th May 2019 11:28 am

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I have to confess that I have got ( and use) a large collection of vintage plugs and sockets , also w have a fairly large collection on display at the vintage wireless and television museum at Dulwich , feel free to arrange a visit
regards
Peter

rambo1152 13th May 2019 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Julesomega (Post 1144853)
What's a Walsall plug or socket?

Image a standard 13A plug with all three pins rotated 90 degrees. that's a Walsall guage plug.

Lancs Lad 13th May 2019 12:24 pm

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Hi Tom.

Also not a plug collector, just really fascinated reading about them, and seeing pictures. There are a couple of threads (possibly more!) on here that are well worth searching out.

No idea how to create a link, so I've taken screenshots instead to show you the titles.

threeseven 13th May 2019 2:14 pm

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Not a collector per se but I try to accumulate as many old, UK made plugs as possible as they eclipse most of the tat produced now. I like to use good plugs on my stuff! I did however, pickup a really nice Grelco shaver adaptor recently, in White, it even still has it's original Grelco fuse!

Viewmaster 13th May 2019 4:27 pm

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I only collect early porcelain plugs etc. Difficult to find now.
Note the lovely knurling on the plugs.

I never remove the old wire as that is part of their history.

emeritus 13th May 2019 4:55 pm

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Nice! The items in the bottom row look identical with the " cut-outs" shown in the 1911 GEC catalogue. That catalogue shows similar china plugs with annular ridges rather than dimples, and they didn't do a two-way BC adaptor like yours with the sockets at an angle.

I do have some early 13A surface mounting sockets where the contacts are in a china housing, but the china is completely covered by the Bakelite cover. I also have a china 15A switched socket, late 1930's, that I removed when I rewired my house. Looks like a large surface-mounted tumbler switch with the socket horizontally on top. Unfortunately the Bakelite got damaged when removing it due to seized screws.

AndiiT 13th May 2019 9:10 pm

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Hi, I have at least three medium sized boxes full of various types of mains plug and socket, including Wylex and Dorman & Smith types. As a youngster I seemed to amass a collection gradually as folk who lived in our village were rewired and passed the sockets that were replaced to "the lad who messes about with that sort of stuff".
Unfortunately my original collection was lost in a number of house moves however I have managed to obtain nearly all of the same ones as I had from car boot sales, eBay etc.
I really should post some pictures on here, I'm not in a position to do so at present though.

Andrew

hannahs radios 13th May 2019 9:20 pm

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Hi I have a small collection of plugs 2 amp 5 amp and 15 amp also in 2 and 3 pin versions I have and use a 5 amp 2 pin socket which is used to supply some colored lights in my disco room at home its supplied via a VT made 13 to 5 amp adaptor the other plugs are used in my shack for my test gear

Boater Sam 13th May 2019 9:40 pm

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Just the one at this time, Crabtree.
Possible locked into the socket by the on/off switch.

rambo1152 14th May 2019 12:01 am

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That might be quite sensible on a DC supply.

HamishBoxer 14th May 2019 9:26 am

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More than 2 Pete and it Is a collection!

Tom williams 14th May 2019 10:44 pm

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WOW, I did not expect this thread to blow up like this, I was astonished when I saw 21 replies!
This website is amazing, thanks for all of the replies, I have been wondering if there were any other eccentrics out there that had a collection (for want of a better word),thanks for the replies!
Tom

Electronpusher0 15th May 2019 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by Richard_FM (Post 1144834)
A few places open to the public seem to use non-standard electrical connections, especially if there's a specialist supply someone otherwise might try to connect to.

Hospitals use a modified BS1363 with a T shaped Earth pin for critical equipment to prevent "normal" plugs being inserted.

Peter

Lancs Lad 15th May 2019 12:57 pm

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Sorry if I'm missing something here, Peter, but wouldn't a 'normal' plug still fit into the modified socket you describe?

Surely it's the modified plug that wouldn't fit into a 'normal' socket?

I'm probably wrong! I've puzzled over this so much this morning, that I am starting to doubt myself ??? :-/

matthewhouse 15th May 2019 10:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Boater Sam (Post 1145076)
Just the one at this time, Crabtree.
Possible locked into the socket by the on/off switch.

Yes it suits Crabtree interlocking sockets, one is shown in the attached photo. It's the polished brass one and a plug is shown with it. A nice idea but the sockets only accept Crabtree interlocking plugs, normal plugs will not allow the socket to be switched on. Similarly if you put one of the Crabtree interlocking plugs in a normal socket it will get stuck on most socket shutter mechanisms, and will remain permanently jammed in the socket. If the socket can't be dismantled the socket will likely need to be destroyed to remove the plug.

The MK non standard plug earth pin is shorter than a standard 13A plug pin, so standard plugs won't fit. If you are really determined you can file down the top of a standard plug pin to make them fit, all the other dimensions are the same.

I prefer sockets to plugs, some are shown attached. 3 are interlocking, though sadly the vertical one has had most of the interlocking mechanism removed, and the brown MK for some reason has had part of the mechanism modified so the socket can be switched on without a plug inserted, it still locks the plug in place though, and the design means no special plug is needed.

Edit: Sorry that photo isn't of good quality...

robin coleman 16th May 2019 7:59 am

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I confess I have a few and light switches too. I still have to find a few of the white dolly switches and a few of the French and German 1920 to 1940's ones.

Regards, Robin.

AndiiT 16th May 2019 2:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Boater Sam (Post 1145076)
.... Crabtree.
Possible locked into the socket by the on/off switch....

I was once the "proud owner" of one of these locking plug/socket combinations, I seem to recall it came from the home of one of my great Aunts after they were rewired.
As mentioned earlier I lost a number of these in various house moves.

Andrew

Jolly 7 16th May 2019 5:06 pm

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Here are some modern plugs and sockets from my Far Eastern travels.

merlinmaxwell 16th May 2019 6:21 pm

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Originally Posted by threeseven (Post 1144960)
it even still has it's original Grelco fuse

It could be a replacement!

rambo1152 16th May 2019 8:00 pm

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I have got my very own Big Clive Chinese Deathdapter!

G6Tanuki 16th May 2019 9:09 pm

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I know-not who made this "metalclad" socket but it sits on the wall beside the back door to my kitchen and gets regular use powering angle-grinders, belt-sanders and similar powertool-stuff-I-don't-want-to-use-in-the-house.

In winter, via an 'arctic grade' extension-lead it feeds a 3Kw thermostatic fan-heater in the footwell of my Land-Rover - so even if mornings are frosty the car's always nice-and-toastily-warm when I need to go out!

matthewhouse 16th May 2019 9:17 pm

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That is a Lewden socket, a matching plug was made that was held on with a threaded ring to keep out the rain. I have the modern version outside my house.

The Philpott 16th May 2019 9:36 pm

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It's an indictment on the variable quality of modern 13A plugs that i feel the need to retain any older MK ones that come my way. They inspire confidence in me, sleeved pins or not.

Dave

G6Tanuki 16th May 2019 10:14 pm

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Somewhere I've got a screw-down "Clang/Niphan" plug in the same overall style/casing as my outdoor 13A socket.

Alas the Niphan is a 15A round-pin one.

rambo1152 16th May 2019 11:34 pm

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I know-not who made this "metalclad" socket but it sits on the wall beside the back door to my kitchen and gets regular use [...]

I have the socket and plug.
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It's very fiddly thread the wires into those deep channels...
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...But I've just noticed if you undo the central screw the retaining ring comes off and all of the brass-ware pulls out. If only I knew that 40 years' ago.
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rambo1152 16th May 2019 11:53 pm

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Has anyone still got a Fitall plug?
Back in the day, it was the plug-of-choice for field techs to have on their irons.

It didn't fit the Wylex sockets I encountered frequently though.

Bobdger 17th May 2019 7:38 am

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The Engineers friend. The Pargo. Used on my Weller gun for many years would fit all our local plugs including 3Z and N MK sockets.... I will find one of mine and post photograph later.

Bob.

Bobdger 17th May 2019 7:41 am

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Photographs.

Bob

G6Tanuki 17th May 2019 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by rambo1152 (Post 1145875)
I have the socket and plug.

You're lucky to have both - also you're lucky that your socket has the little chain that retains the screw-on cover. My little chain was absent when I bought the house. I thought of making something up using a bath-plug chain but I'm not sure if chrome-plating would look right in the situation.

Lancs Lad 17th May 2019 2:58 pm

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Hi, Jolly7.

I'm intrigued by that Thai Panasonic picture.

Is it a three gang extension lead, with one socket in the end, and two on top? What if you needed to plug something into it that required an earth connection?

Perhaps (very likely!) I am being really thick, and not seeing something obvious! Apologies, if so :-/ :)

usradcoll1 17th May 2019 4:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Lancs Lad (Post 1146029)
Is it a three gang extension lead, with one socket in the end, and two on top? What if you needed to plug something into it that required an earth connection?

While the Japanese follow the US NEMA wiring scheme, there is no earthing available in their residences.
IIRC, they're starting to provide earthing in all new construction using NEMA 5-15, 125 volt devices.

Lancs Lad 17th May 2019 5:13 pm

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I'm still a bit baffled. How do Thai/Japanese people not get electrocuted when a fault occurs?

I know it's 'only' 125 volts, but surely it's still dangerous.

Richard_FM 17th May 2019 5:51 pm

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In Japan some high power devices have an earth cable that screws onto an earthing post.

Lancs Lad 17th May 2019 5:58 pm

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That seems - and looks- a bit hit and miss.

Very untidy, too.

Jolly 7 17th May 2019 6:07 pm

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@Lancs Lad : You are correct. The Panasonic extension lead has two flat pin sockets on the top and one on the side. I have the original packing for the lead and it comes with extensive instructions but unfortunately in Japanese, which I cannot read. It does come with some pictures and other information. I will post these here later for those who might be interested.
The lead is very well built with safety markings on the cable, perhaps similar to BSI standards. I was able to open it and take a look inside. There is no provision for earthing and no fuse but the wire is high quality copper. So it would not pass UK safety standards but maybe acceptable in Japan for use with limited devices.
I don't exactly remember whether they had an earth pin in the hotels but they must have had because there were hairdryers in the room :-)

AC/HL 17th May 2019 6:19 pm

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Originally Posted by rambo1152 (Post 1145878)
Has anyone still got a Fitall plug?

Somewhere. Not thought well of around here, but handy if assembled properly. Better than the bare wire trick!

rambo1152 17th May 2019 8:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Jolly 7 (Post 1146094)
I don't exactly remember whether they had an earth pin in the hotels but they must have had because there were hairdryers in the room

I think you will find that hairdryers are class II appliances these days.

Richard_FM 17th May 2019 10:52 pm

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Here's my collection with some new additions.

I was pleased to get an Ashley plug on my Binatone TV, my Gran used to have a lot of these around her house on various appliances.

I once asked why she had so many, & she said she bought a box of them from Curry's years before.

Alistair D 17th May 2019 11:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Lancs Lad (Post 1146068)
I'm still a bit baffled. How do Thai/Japanese people not get electrocuted when a fault occurs?

I know it's 'only' 125 volts, but surely it's still dangerous.

As far as I remember the Japanese supply system uses a centre tapped earth at the point of distribution so that either terminal of a socket is only 62.5 volts above earth. Still not ideal but safer than 125 volts.

Al


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