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Sparky67 9th Feb 2021 10:40 pm

DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Hi all,

Can anyone point me at a kit ideally, or a working design for a DDS synthesiser to replace HF xtals in a transceiver please. I only need one freq initially, so VCO circuitry isn't required.

I have spotted VK5TM's design but was hoping something was available a bit closer to home...

Many thanks,

Martin
G4NCE

Terry_VK5TM 9th Feb 2021 11:26 pm

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
https://www.qrp-labs.com/ has similar in the form of 'ProgRock', look in the menu on the left of page.

You will have to send Hans an email though as I keep getting a 'Server down' message for the ProgRock page.

Sparky67 9th Feb 2021 11:52 pm

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Thanks Terry. Small world eh?! I have sent Hans an email.
Cheers,
Martin

mickm3for 10th Feb 2021 12:22 am

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Hi also the vfo kit both kits require a lo pass filter to get sign wave out, I have built sevral of his kits they work well Mick

Julesomega 10th Feb 2021 1:11 am

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Don't forget the 6V6 Electronics DDS 0-40MHz VFO Short Kit for AD9850. I built one and it does exactly as stated

Terry_VK5TM 10th Feb 2021 4:27 am

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky67 (Post 1340284)
Small world eh?!

And less places to hide :wave:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickm3for (Post 1340288)
Hi also the vfo kit both kits require a lo pass filter to get sign wave out, I have built sevral of his kits they work well Mick

In most cases, a square wave is fine for xtal replacement purposes as long as the rest of the set is properly set up/aligned.

I would recommend checking drive levels though.

Radio Wrangler 10th Feb 2021 4:45 am

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
The DDS output gives quantisation distortion and a stepped approximation to a sinewave.

If you use a different look up table to get a squarewave approximation, you get jitter.

Making a sinewave, lowpass filtering below Nyquist and only then using a comparator to create a square wave (if that's what you want) performs as an analogue interpolator, fixing a fair amount of the quantisation distortion and doing interpolation for you.

So all DDS require an output filter (lowpass or bandpass) or else you take a hit on spectral purity.

David

NottsIan 10th Feb 2021 2:45 pm

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Julesomega (Post 1340296)
Don't forget the 6V6 Electronics DDS 0-40MHz VFO Short Kit for AD9850. I built one and it does exactly as stated

Be aware though that some of the eBay AD9850 modules are fitted with 3.3v crystal oscillators. Their life on 5v can be short and hot.

Sparky67 11th Feb 2021 11:19 am

Re: DDS Xtal Replacement
 
Thanks all. Think I need to open the radio I was looking at generating the LO digitally for and get on the air (a Decca Messenger) instead of just working from the service manual, to see how much space there is inside. TBH the LPF does look a little on the overkill size at 10W to help replace a xtal... Although a boxed external variable source with an LCD does now sound an attractive, and more versatile, option.

Noted re the 3.3V/5v oscs.

Martin
G4NCE


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