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theredhouseinn 14th Sep 2018 1:42 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Hi Stan
My missing card numbers.
18,24,28,29,40,70,71,73,76,84,87,232,240,250,252,3 42,3511,375,410,428,430,459,481,482,483,503,557,58 8,602-609,644,647,648,651,652,662,664-668,673-705,715,716,718,721-753,761-786,797-928,948,952-956,9611,962,964,968-975,979,980,981,983-995,1003-1017,1020,1021,1023,1027-1054,1056,1062-1103,11106,1107,1117,4420,1122,1123,1124,1126,1129 ,1133,1137,1138,1142,1145,1147,1150,1151,1152,1154 ,1155,1160,1160,1165,1173,1174,1182,1197.
that's the lot Stan. I used the Mullard numerical list to check my cards. Where I have grouped numbers I have probably included non-issue card numbers. Appologies for this.
My email address is - [REMOVED BY MODERATOR,SHARE BY PM] - I didn't realise that I had so many cards missing, if it is easier for you to email me the file, please do so.
Incidentally, since my complete refurbishment of my tester, it appears to be working perfectly on the valves tested so far.
John.

Electrical 14th Sep 2018 4:43 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
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Hello John
I have just finished rescanning the images you sent and I have converted them to pdf files, please see attachment.
I will check and see if I have all the cards you have requested and I will ask one of the moderators if I can post the files on the forum or if they would prefer I sent them by email. I will send you a Private Message (PM) when I have collected all the data and let you know the best way to send it.
Regards Stan.

Chris55000 5th Sep 2019 3:37 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Hi!

Has anyone been able to compile a definitive table of the gate switch functions yet?

I've tried doing it from the Mullard Service Manuals for the E7600/3 and E7600/4 but don't seem to have much luck!

Obviously the first few rows that connect the valveholder tags to the circuit are fairly obvious, it's the ones that select the H.T. and G.B. voltages from the voltage stabiliser circuits by changing over resistors (or combinations of resistors) that seem to be a stumbling block, since there are (theoretically!) up to 255 different function combinations!

The contacts towards the bottom that select heater voltage from the heater voltage transformer are, of course only operated in such a way to connect two distinct taps to the valve–holder supply points at any one time, so a table for the transformer tap gate switch configuration can be drawn up from knowing what the heater supplies from the transformer are, and this data isn't in the manuals! (Or have I missed noticing it somewhere?!)

Incidentally, did Mullard provide selectable anode resistors for Magic–Eye Valves, or was the Magic Eye Triode Anode voltage selected by the normal method for any valve, by selecting the appropriate resistors in the H.T. stabiliser?

(I haven't yet had a chance to study the circuit diagrams in great detail, but me thinks if there are four contacts spare, then these could be used for m.e. triode anode resistors, e.g., 100k (EM87), 470k (EM80/EM81/EM84/EM85), 1M (end viewed, single shadow octals) and 2 × 1M for the EM34.)

Chris Williams

Electronpusher0 5th Sep 2019 6:24 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
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I have posted the attached table on another thread, it is (still) a work in progress but like you I have traced the switch functions from the schematic.

Peter

GMB 5th Sep 2019 8:31 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
There are interactions between the features so it isn't trivially simple.

By way of example, you might have expected various holes to select the heater voltage, but actually you find cards with different hole combinations in the heater area for valves with the same heater voltage rating. The reason is that they actually allow for the effect of the current drawn loading the transformer.

PJL 5th Sep 2019 9:33 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
I posted an emulator that runs on Microsoft IE here. https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=155140

The emulator displays the test conditions for a card for all operating modes and I went as far as emulating the testers valve characteristics. It includes the hole layouts for some cards but these should not be relied on and you should check the hole settings match those on your card before making any assumptions.

The javascript program is included so you can see how it's all done.

Chris55000 5th Sep 2019 9:58 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Hi!
Quote:

Originally Posted by GMB (Post 1173695)
There are interactions between the features so it isn't trivially simple.

By way of example, you might have expected various holes to select the heater voltage, but actually you find cards with different hole combinations in the heater area for valves with the same heater voltage rating. The reason is that they actually allow for the effect of the current drawn loading the transformer.

This is something else that my study of the manuals didn't pick up and I'm not sure the military version CT80 manual makes it clear either!

To take 6.3V valves as the most common example, you've got currents ranging from 90mA for the EY51 e.h.t. rectifier to over 2 or 3A for many of the smaller glass–base transmitting tetrodes, etc. – the only way to determine the characteristics of the heater transformer for certain is to connect a controllable variable a.c. load with a reliable current–monitor to it – I think I've seen a project for a continuously controllable one somewhere, but it's not a trivial design by any means!

No doubt Mullard's design engineers were provided with loading graphs for the heater–voltage transformer, but it's certainly info I don't recall ever bsing documented anywhere!

Chris Williams

PJL 5th Sep 2019 3:19 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
There are multiple taps for some standard voltages. I am not sure if this is related to the valve manufacturers specification or the loading on the LT transformer although I expect the latter. I have also not checked to see if the tester intentionally runs with a low LT (-5%).

Chris55000 6th Mar 2020 10:37 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Hi!

I've recently acquired an E7600/4 which will be my restoration project I wish to keep, and I got a large stack of CV cards with it, but I don't believe it's the full set by any means – I don't think there's any CV2xxx or CV3xxx in my set, altho' the "CV Pack ABC" List does cross–reference "CV" cards to Mullard Commercial Cards of course!

Chris

PS!

Was "Mullard Numerical List No 8" the last one released and when was it dated?

PPS!

Did any of the early Mullard lists show the "EFM1/EFM11" Combined a.f. pentode/magic–eye tuning indicator, or did Mullard assume this valve had gone completely before the H.S.V.T. was designed, and therefore saw no need to produce a card set for it?

I'm surprised the Lorenz/Telefunken EAM86 diode/indicator valve used in Tandberg Reel–to–reel machines never got a card–set – does this valve post–date the cut–off date of development of new issue cards for the machine?

PPPS!

Some magic–eye cards were marked with the "mixer–osc" test function I believe, but the one m.e. card I have, no. 940 for the EM34, has no function marking at all – can anybody who's got any of the more recent m.e. cards confirm what marking was used, if any, please?

(H.S.V.T. gurus please excuse me for asking about m.e. cards in the Mullard H.S.V.T., but testing indicator valves is something that received virtually no mention in magazines, text–books or this Forum in general, so I thought I'd bring the subject up!)

robot797 28th Dec 2020 10:37 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukcol (Post 759952)
The manual for the last version of the Mullard HSVT lists 9 valve adaptors and a number of adaptors for CRTs. But there are more. I have eleven.

Adaptors 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10A and 13.

1 to 9 are as listed in the E7600 MK4 manual, adaptor 10A is for the PL500 valve and 13 for the PFL200.

can you send me the manual that has the 10A adapter
I cant find it anywere

Ed_Dinning 29th Dec 2020 8:03 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Hi Robot, I'm afraid I don't have these adaptors, but do you know what card number they were used with?

Ed

PJL 29th Dec 2020 8:08 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris55000 (Post 1223253)
Hi!
Some magic–eye cards were marked with the "mixer–osc" test function I believe, but the one m.e. card I have, no. 940 for the EM34, has no function marking at all – can anybody who's got any of the more recent m.e. cards confirm what marking was used, if any, please?

Better late than never! The TEST function is blank on my ME cards 940, 942, 944 and 949. It only appears to serve a purpose when you have a valve that has multiple cards as it will then indicate which part of the valve you are testing (DDT for example).

GMB 30th Dec 2020 10:15 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Quote:

Hi Robot, I'm afraid I don't have these adaptors, but do you know what card number they were used with?
Card 1167 with adapter 10 used for PL500 and PL504
Card 1184(AB) with adapter 13 used for PFL200
Card 1197 with adapter 10A used for EL500

It turns out I have adapters 10A and 13.
I wonder what the difference between 10 and 10A was?

GMB 30th Dec 2020 10:28 am

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
Quote:

Did any of the early Mullard lists show the "EFM1/EFM11" Combined a.f. pentode/magic–eye tuning indicator, or did Mullard assume this valve had gone completely before the H.S.V.T. was designed, and therefore saw no need to produce a card set for it?
I have never seen this so have no card refernece for those valves.
Quote:

Some magic–eye cards were marked with the "mixer–osc" test function I believe,
Which ones? I have not found one like that yet.
As prevously stated, the "TEST" field on the card is used to distinguish multi-card tests. It is blank on single cards.

Ed_Dinning 31st Dec 2020 2:16 pm

Re: Mullard Valve Tester Card Project
 
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Hi Folks, attached details of the 10A and 13 adaptors.

From my notes there are references to a 10, 10B, 11 and 12 adaptors, but perhaps these were for early TV tubes before the special adaptors were produced

Not that some adaptors have a male top cap attached. This is usually for boost diodes wher the TC is cathode.

Ed


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