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boombox 29th Mar 2019 6:11 pm

Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Anybody tried one of these little Chinese rascals? Looks like they'd be about 20 with slow postage.

rambo1152 29th Mar 2019 7:41 pm

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That's a good find for a device similar to the Dialgizmo

There is also another device working on the RotaTone principle

HERE

At that price maybe I'll buy those rather than build any more of my home built ones.

Dave Moll 29th Mar 2019 8:03 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Not met that one before, but the price (at $27 including postage to UK) compares well with that of the dialgizmo, albeit uncased. I see no mention of speed dial facilities such as those of the dialgizmo, so it depends whether these are important to you.

Although it comes without a casing, it looks as though it would be small enough to mount inside the pattress of a flush-mounting telephone socket.

If you fancy giving one a try, I'd be interested to hear how you get on.

boombox 7th Apr 2019 2:09 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo1152 (Post 1132698)
That's a good find for a device similar to the Dialgizmo

There is also another device working on the RotaTone principle

HERE

At that price maybe I'll buy those rather than build any more of my home built ones.

Looks nifty, that, Rambo! Do you sell them, or failing that, the schematic?

giraffenigel 8th Apr 2019 9:54 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
It does come with a case Dave, I've just ordered one and will let you know how it all goes

Dave Moll 8th Apr 2019 11:35 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
I see no mention of a case in the (rather quaintly-worded) advertisement referenced at the start of this thread, and the image doesn't show one.

The same applies to the internal module referenced later.

ThePillenwerfer 8th Apr 2019 1:37 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
The third picture shows a cream-coloured case: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1HQ_YX...erican-and.jpg.

For a home-made thing see: https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?t=135674

rambo1152 8th Apr 2019 10:26 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
The item pictured at the foot of my post #2 is basically the circuit Joe ThePillenwerfer described. My contribution was to miniturise it using a sandwich of two fragments of perforated project board so it fits into the tiny eBay trinket case shown.
I'll gladly post the layout I used next week and if nothing else, following Joe's instructions will teach you a useful skill; how to programme Atmel microcontrollers

giraffenigel 9th Apr 2019 12:03 am

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At least 3 of the reviews show it in a case.

Dave Moll 9th Apr 2019 8:09 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Yes, I missed the third image with the case. So all you need to add is a line cord (and any adaptors for equipment with BT plugs).

boombox 9th Apr 2019 9:04 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo1152 (Post 1135667)
I'll gladly post the layout I used next week and if nothing else, following Joe's instructions will teach you a useful skill; how to programme Atmel microcontrollers

Thanks, Rambo, that would be great. I've flashed the Texas Instruments CC Debugger before and am used to uploading my own code to various Arduino/Teensy/Photon boards, so I should be ok learning how to program an Atmel microcontroller. Famous last words.

I'll go see about buying in the parts. Did you consider getting PCBs done? Also, second question, did you replace the zener + resistors with a 78L05, and researching it some more, did you fit a protection diode on the VCC of the microcontroller ?

Thanks - exciting

dagskarlsen 10th Apr 2019 8:48 pm

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Have you read this?: https://bre.is/meI9Rerwik

Dave Moll 11th Apr 2019 7:47 am

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I see that the alldav.com converter reviewed therein is now priced at $25. Given that the the review was dated November 2012, I suppose a 25% increase over 6 years isn't excessive - though electronics prices tend to go in the other direction

winston_1 15th Apr 2019 9:35 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
I ordered one of these and it has just arrived. IT DOESN'T WORK.
Wish I'd read the reviews before ordering as it seems about half of them don't work and the supplier won't refund.

Will get on to PAYPAL if they won't refund me.

Dave Moll 16th Apr 2019 7:55 am

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Any supplier that won't refund a faulty item is to be avoided like the plague, so please accept both my commiserations for your experience and my thanks for the warning.

If the seller were in the UK, they would presumably be in breach of the law and could be prosecuted. At least PayPal should come to your rescue.

By the way, was this the Chinese offering or the one from alldav?

giraffenigel 16th Apr 2019 11:42 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Mine has just arrived and doesn't work either! I'm waiting for a response from the seller but I expect it will be the same as winston_1's was.
I've had the alldav one for a few years and that works fine.

giraffenigel 17th Apr 2019 11:08 am

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It's working! Because of the lack of instructions I had assumed that it was wired the same as the alldav and Dialgizmo as they all look the same - not so! The RJ11 socket is the output and the other end is the input.
I wired a female BT to the 2 terminals inside and an RJ11 to BT plug into the socket and it works perfectly. Remember when wiring the lead that the 2 INSIDE contacts on the RJ11 are the line.

Dave Moll 17th Apr 2019 10:16 pm

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I must admit that I too would have assumed the RJ11 to be for the 'phone and the screw terminals for connection to the line. Well done for establishing that it is the other way round. I wonder how many of the reported failures result from the false assumption.

Incidentally, when I bought my Dialgizmo its label had inadvertently been stuck on the wrong way round so that the socket was labelled "line" and the plug "phone". Once I had established the error I peeled off the label and turned it round.

winston_1 17th Apr 2019 10:57 pm

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Really! All the pictures imply the line goes to the RJ45 socket. I'm away at the moment till Friday but will certainly try it when I return. Thanks for the info. Why oh why can't they supply instructions?

giraffenigel 18th Apr 2019 11:32 am

Re: Another pulse to tone possibility
 
Looking at the PCB more closely it does actually say TELEPHONE between the 2 terminals!
Another thing to mention is that because it's a 2 wire connection, if the phone you want to plug in has been converted, you'll need a ringing capacitor. The BT socket I wired in has one in it but you could cut the plug off an old ADSL filter and wire that to the 2 terminals as they have a capacitor in.


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