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Bigears 20th Oct 2021 7:25 pm

Homebrew Record Player. BSR UA6 deck and RS Components. Stereo Amplifier.
 
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Hi all, Here we have a MONARCH BSR Black Box, but it seem to have been refitted into a kind of homemade cabinet, it powers up and all is working, but no sound from the speaker, well the speakers work but just the volume hum, I think this model war made in the 1955 with valves and it seems it has been updated with printed circuit board, can anyone tell me what steps I need to take to get the sound working, Regards Ken

Edward Huggins 20th Oct 2021 7:51 pm

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I don't think you will find that this has anything at all to do with the Pye "Black Box". This looks like a home-made record player using a 1955 BSR UA6 autochanger (which was used in some early BBs) and some much more modern electronics. I can't see any speakers or even one speaker. What experience do you have with vintage electronics, especially in signal tracing and fault finding?

Cobaltblue 20th Oct 2021 8:11 pm

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There is a speaker in the lid, It looks as if the amplifier uses the Plessy SL403 Audio amp chip https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_sl403.html

I agree with Edward nothing to do with PYE this one but an interesting project just the same :thumbsup:

Cheers

Mike T

ms660 20th Oct 2021 8:26 pm

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https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/...d.php?p=922763

Lawrence.

vidjoman 20th Oct 2021 9:21 pm

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Looks like the Radiospares stereo PCB with just half being used as a mono amp.

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 2:16 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Huggins (Post 1415929)
I don't think you will find that this has anything at all to do with the Pye "Black Box". This looks like a home-made record player using a 1955 BSR UA6 autochanger (which was used in some early BBs) and some much more modern electronics. I can't see any speakers or even one speaker. What experience do you have with vintage electronics, especially in signal tracing and fault finding?

You can see the speaker, well part of the speaker in one of the pictures.

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 2:46 pm

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Thanks.

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 3:03 pm

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That's what I said in my post, its a BSR Black Box that has been relocated in to a home made Box and up- dated with PCBs it all works but no sound only a hum from the speaker, and the Question was ( How would I go about sorting out the sound)

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 3:06 pm

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OK so how would I go about sorting out the sound as the auto changer and turn table work ?

DMcMahon 22nd Oct 2021 4:09 pm

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Depending upon your electronics fault finding experience, this may not be easy for you.

The first thing I would check is the power supply DC voltage at the large electrolytic reservoir/smoothing capacitor. This is shown as C15 on the second schematic attachment at Post 14 from the link at Laurence's Post # 4..

Do not know what voltage it should be, but at a guess at least + 15 volts. If the capacitor is bad there may be a lot of AC mains ripple present which will result in low DC voltage (and potentially hum). The decoupling capacitor C14 (0.1uF) if bad may also result in higher than normal ripple. Note - this capacitor on the PCB artwork looks to be C13 ?

If you have a scope would be good to actually quantify the ripple level.

David

Edward Huggins 22nd Oct 2021 4:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigears (Post 1416527)
That's what I said in my post, its a BSR Black Box that has been relocated in to a home made Box and up- dated with PCBs it all works but no sound only a hum from the speaker, and the Question was ( How would I go about sorting out the sound)

I don't know why you keep referencing it's provenance as being from a Pye "Black Box". This may confuse other Members trying to help you. Even the BSR deck from 1955 is not the type that was ever used by Pye in any "Black Box".

I should know, I was there.....

Yes, and now you point it out, I can see the edge of a speaker. BTW if this is a 6.5" 3 ohm Goodmans speaker, please do let me know as it may throw some light on the possible provenance.

NOW - to try to help you, do you know if the cartridge in the tone arm is working? If not place a finger onto the input on the PCB to see if you get a "buzzing " sound with the volume turned up. If not, please advse us.

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 6:07 pm

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Thanks Edward, My electronics fault finding experience is nil, how ever I will check the Caps

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 6:08 pm

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Sorry Dave

DMcMahon 22nd Oct 2021 6:35 pm

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I do not think Pye was mentioned by the OP, is Black Box specific only to Pye ?

David

DMcMahon 22nd Oct 2021 7:26 pm

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Would be good if you could identify/close up photo the actual cartridge/stylus that is fitted, especially if it turns out to be a bad cartridge.

David

Audio1950 22nd Oct 2021 7:45 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Huggins (Post 1416549)
Even the BSR deck from 1955 is not the type that was ever used by Pye in any "Black Box".

I should know, I was there.....

Yet in your previous post (No. 2 above) you say the deck was used in early versions.??????

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 8:09 pm

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I tested the speaker and it gives a reading of 1.4 on the multiimeter
Note the lead from the needle pick up arm seems to go nowhere, do you think that could be the problem? I send some pictures

Regards Ken

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 8:18 pm

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1955 was my estimate when the deck was made, thats all

Cobaltblue 22nd Oct 2021 8:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigears (Post 1416625)
I tested the speaker and it gives a reading of 1.4 on the multiimeter
Note the lead from the needle pick up arm seems to go nowhere, do you think that could be the problem? I send some pictures

Regards Ken

Yes that cable should be connected to the amplifier.

If it follows the normal circuit for the SL403 then it should connect across the outer tags of the volume control.

The centre tag and another should be connected to the pcb.

The centre conductor of the screened cable should go to the tag with nothing else connected the braiding to the opposite tag leaving the centre tag also connected to the PCB if that makes sense.

Cheers

Mike T

Bigears 22nd Oct 2021 8:34 pm

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I don't think the input is connected to the MB see my latest pictures


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