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8th Sep 2017, 3:54 pm | #41 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
I might have thought an other way to go was with a package from the likes of Novatech/Aria or in last resort Maplin. MB+MEMORY +CPU. Possibly replace PSU ,and use old case. Get something like an AMD 2.8 with a decent speed memory and hence fast front side bus. On board graphics ( unless video is a problem) and on board LAN.
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8th Sep 2017, 4:05 pm | #42 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
I'd suggest fitting the second drive to use purely for data and use the first drive for the OS and installed software. This makes it easy to move data to a subsequent new PC.
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8th Sep 2017, 5:02 pm | #43 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Thanks for taking the time to check that out MrBungle.
I had thought of external storage, Paul... I can see the convenience, call me old fashioned but I prefer fixed drives. DonĀ“t like the idea of my HDD getting knocked off the desk and being ruined! I have successfully placed the 500GB drive below the DVD ROM, and the system recognizes it. Now comes the task of copying files over. I have a few options: -Memory stick USB (rather slow, FAT32 so no large files) -Burn DVDs (problem, XP machine DVD drive not always working!) -Plug both PCs into router and try and pass the files that way. Is that possible? I vaguely recall setting up workgroups or something years ago to transfer files between Pcs, not sure how that would work with XP and Win 10?
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8th Sep 2017, 5:08 pm | #44 | |
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The new PC has only one partition on C: with win 10, but since it does not come with system disks I do not intend to start messing with it, even though it is not 100% how I would have set it up.
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8th Sep 2017, 5:11 pm | #45 | |
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8th Sep 2017, 5:27 pm | #46 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
A memory stick is the easiest way to do it if you don't have networking set up on both machines or experience of using it. An external HD in a caddy would have been even easier
Otherwise, plug both PCs into the router, make the folder on the XP machine shared, and browse the network on the W10 system. You should be able to see the XP system and any shared folders. Copy the files and contents in the normal way. |
8th Sep 2017, 5:56 pm | #47 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Depends how much data you have. I personally wouldn't use the network. It takes forever unless you have gigabit ethernet and it's a pain to set up! I have a couple of external 2.5" SATA disks and USB adapters. These are great for moving things around quickly. WD sell some cheap ones. They are quite robust. Something similar to: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B00H53ET0C/
I would suggest migrating your files carefully to the correct folders (documents, pictures, video, music etc) in windows 10 on the C: drive rather than putting them on a separate disk or partition. This puts them in sub-folders of c:\users\yourusername along with all the bits of hidden profile information that is stored with applications etc. It also allows windows explorer to pick up all the metadata and integrated applications properly. This is an arduous process but it really does make the machine considerably more usable! If you hose your machine entirely there's little benefit in having your data on a separate partition as there is no protection against the main failure modes: disk failure, infection, NTFS failure, corruption. I very much doubt you will ever have to reinstall the OS and if you do, you're then putting your files at risk of partitioning accident anyway. Make sure you keep an entire backup offline and disconnected from the machine as well. One of the fun failure modes I've seen recently is power supply failure and it takes out the board and disks. The USB disk mentioned above will also serve as a backup device. |
9th Sep 2017, 4:56 am | #48 | |
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11th Sep 2017, 2:56 pm | #49 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Now up and running w10.
Only small hitch was when I tried to swap my video capture PCI card into the new desktop and found that the bracket was about two inches too long for the case Just unscrewed it and secured the card by more 'artesanal' means for now! It also did not recognize the ps2 mouse, so I just use a USB one (there are eight or so USB ports anyhow). Thanks for all the help chaps, and for sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated
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11th Sep 2017, 3:09 pm | #50 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Glad to hear. The SFF PCI cards are half height. You can usually unscrew the normal bracket, cut the end off, bend a new lug over and stuff it back in. works fine
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11th Sep 2017, 3:39 pm | #51 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Something that might interest other posters is SPEEDFAN. Monitors heat in various parts of PC ,and can be set to set fans to react to heat. I don't use it as my MB has a system to do this intelligently.
One other way of stopping HDD overheating is to sit them on the base of the case, where's there is a massive block of aluminium . |
11th Sep 2017, 3:41 pm | #52 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
Not really needed on these HP's. The BIOS does a reasonable job of this and they are very quiet anyway. Mine are all completely silent as far as my ears are concerned (non scientific and too much noisy music in the 1990s may have affected this)
Very useful on some of the home build things I've used over the years though! |
11th Sep 2017, 4:01 pm | #53 |
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Re: New hard drive for Pentium IV
If you're fussy suitable half-height brackets do appear on auction sites from time to time or perhaps someone on here might have one to spare
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