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4th Mar 2016, 9:39 am | #1 |
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BIB Groove-Kleen
I was given an incomplete BIB Groove-klean last night
like this: http://www.ybaaudio.co.uk/product/groove-kleen-bib/ It is missing the little brush at the front (they went missing for a Pastime). Has anybody got any idea what I could fabricate one out of? It is also missing the stand (I know - I have not got much of the thing!), but I think I can fabricate something for that... SEAN
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4th Mar 2016, 10:06 am | #2 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
Use the end part of a Ladies eyeliner brush. If can fabricate a stand that's good, but you will most certainly need the little counterweight. Edward
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4th Mar 2016, 10:31 am | #3 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
An artist's paint brush. You can types that have stiffer bristles, whatever you want.
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4th Mar 2016, 10:32 am | #4 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
A troll around camera and makeup departments on Amazon/Ebay may turn up something suitable. Possibly cut down an artist's paintbrush?
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4th Mar 2016, 11:25 am | #5 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
Good thinking all - yeah a kiddies paint brush might be good (with fine nylon rather than real hair)
I have the entire arm and weight - so with a lead filled wooden cotton reel and some stick-back plastic... SEAN
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4th Mar 2016, 1:58 pm | #6 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
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4th Mar 2016, 2:03 pm | #7 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I bought on of these in my teens (1975 ish), didn't make a lot of difference to a clean or dirty record.
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4th Mar 2016, 2:12 pm | #8 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
The velvet roller cleans it, the brush tip acts more as a groove guide around the record whilst it plays. They look the part, but only have a moderate affect and can slow down the turntable's speed. Edward
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4th Mar 2016, 3:35 pm | #9 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I have to say that I find these (and their similar cousins from other manufacturers e.g. Cecil Watts) invaluable for removing dust from basically-clean records. They won't, of course, remove mould, grubby fingermarks and so on.
The speed reduction because of drag is negligble on all machines I've tried them on, and I'm fussy (and have "absolute pitch"), though they would certainly have an effect on machines with marginal torque. I use mine daily. Wasn't "Bib" a brand name coined by Richard Arbib? N. |
4th Mar 2016, 5:20 pm | #10 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
Yes it was Nick. I believe for the nifty tape Splicer he designed that could be mounted on something like a Ferrograph recorder. He was of course the owner of Ersin solder of "multicore" fame.
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4th Mar 2016, 5:25 pm | #11 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
Personally i found these devices and the similar cecil watts "dust bug" to be a waste of time, they are no more effective than a careful wipe with an antistatic brush such as the "groov kleen" as far as I am concerned. And on quiet passages it was often possible to hear the dratted thing "playing" the grooves it was in.
Bit of a "Marmite" Accessory I think. Mr Grumpy. |
4th Mar 2016, 5:42 pm | #12 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I have never found them to be excellent, but as an accessory I think they are fine but I would not use one.
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4th Mar 2016, 5:49 pm | #13 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
Yes, if the groove tracing brush is too stiff you can hear a kind of "stylus chatter". Edward
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4th Mar 2016, 6:39 pm | #14 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I have had a Cecil Watts 'Dust Bug' for many years, and find that, to use a popular expression 'it does what it says on the tin' -i.e. removes dust from records, which it was all it was intended to do. I used to have a 'Groove-Clean', but don't know what became of it. Speaking of disc cleaning devices, anyone remember the 'Emitex' cleaning cloths?
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4th Mar 2016, 6:58 pm | #15 |
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4th Mar 2016, 7:17 pm | #16 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
AFAIK, Emitex cloths are identical to the Calotherm cloths provided for cleaning spectacles. I think they are impregnated with something, which I wouldn't really want deposited on my records. A microfibre cloth would probably work at least as well these days.
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4th Mar 2016, 7:20 pm | #17 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I had an Emitex one, I think, but the foam backing turned into dust and the velvety top layer was too contaminated to use after that.
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4th Mar 2016, 8:39 pm | #18 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I had a 'Dust Bug' on my GL75 in days of yore and I remember that it was quite effective. It was stuck firmly to the deck and went with it when I sold it on. The brush part had quite stiff fibres, used to stop it skating off all over the place, the roller was the duster part.
I ended up with a 'Bib' dust collecting thingy brush, it was synthetic maroon velvet in a clear gold and perpex case - quality . That worked well, better than the bug I seem to remember. |
4th Mar 2016, 8:54 pm | #19 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
I used a Bib cleaner a long time ago. All I can find at the moment is a stand, but I may have a few more bits and pieces. I'd be happy to post them to you, but it will not be until Wednesday or Thursday next week.
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4th Mar 2016, 9:38 pm | #20 |
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Re: BIB Groove-Clean
The 'Dust Bug' to which I referred in post # 13 is actually a tube about 1" diameter x 3" long, covered in a velvety material. Inside is a 'wick', which occasionally has to be damped with a small amount of water. By holding it in close contact with a record's surface whilst it is rotating, dust is picked up. My cleaner came from World Record Club more than 50 years ago, and is actually called a 'Parostatik Disc Preener' According to the label it 'promotes perfect record maintenance'!, to which all I can add is that I still have records as old, or older, than the 'disc preener', which have been cleaned with it many times, and they still sound good today, so there must be some truth in Cecil Watts claims! Does anyone still make a similar product, I wonder?
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